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Title A name given to the resource My Lincolnwood Story- Adrienne Stern Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource My Lincolnwood Story Description An account of the resource My Lincolnwood Story was an oral history project which aimed to explore the past and present of Lincolnwood by documenting stories of its residents. The main goal of this project was to record, preserve, and share audio interviews with the Lincolnwood community in order to connect residents with the history of their neighbors. This project presented Lincolnwood residents with an opportunity to share their story, and for all patrons – a chance to learn about the diverse community of Lincolnwood. Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource My Lincolnwood Story - Adrienne Stern Subject The topic of the resource “I feel like I’ve had a good life and you have to give back. It’s our obligation as Jews that we must help out other people and do what we must do for other people.” Born in the Logan Square neighborhood of Chicago, Adrienne Stern moved to Lincolnwood after the birth of her first son in 1961. As a certified aquatic exercise instructor, she has taught Aquanastics every summer at the Lincolnwood Pool since its opening in the 1970s. Ms. Stern talks about growing up in Chicago, meeting her husband, and what has kept her in Lincolnwood even after selling the family home. This interview was recording using Zoom. The views and opinions expressed in interviews do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the Lincolnwood Public Library, including its Board of Trustees and staff. TRANSCRIPT: Lev Kalmens 0:00 My name is Lev Kalmens. I'm an Information Services Librarian at the Lincolnwood Public Library. Today is October 30th, 2020. And I'm interviewing Adrienne Stern for our oral history project. Adrienne, thank you for joining me. And what is your lincolnwood story? Adrienne Stern 0:16 I must say we moved in Lincolnwood when my oldest son was six months old. And in May of 1961. This population, of course, then was a lot smaller than it is now. We knew all the policemen by their names. Hamlin Avenue, from Touhy to Lunt, was not paved. We had a tree in the middle of the street, as a matter of fact. My alley, which was next to my kitchen--there was an alley that ran along the house--was used as a street because they couldn't get through on Hamlin. The mail truck would come by there and everything. So that was the only way that people could get down the street there. We had pheasants that came to the edge of the road to eat, where they have [inaudible] in order to digest their food. And if they didn't have a very good fight, they would barely make it over the roof tops of the houses there. We could see all the way to--it was an open field we could see all the way to--Bell & Howell, which is where the Lincolnwood Mall is now. We heard all the noises when they were building Winston Towers. I think it was in the thick of '64. The pile drivers were going till 11 o'clock at night. We were going out of our minds to find out who to contact to take care of it. Anyhow, Lincolnwood was not very diverse at that time. We had a young black man, who my husband worked with, who was coming to fix the shed. And he told us when he got to the house, he parked the car and the police were right there directly behind him. He told me they were following him from McCormick and Devon all the way to our house. We were on Greenleaf and Hamlin. So I got to the window and I waved to the policemen that it was okay. And then they drove away. But I mean it was incredible. I guess it just was such an odd thing to see a black man there, they were very, very cautious. It was kind of weird. Let's see, super snow in '68: all of our neighbors pooled together all the food, and everybody got very, very close to each other. We'd support each other. There was an abandoned milk truck in the middle of Hamlin Avenue, south of Greenleaf, that he couldn't go any further. He was stuck in the snow. So we relieved him of the milk and the butter and whatever else he had in his truck. So we had extra things that we could use. People got very, very friendly. All of our neighbors were friends with each other. We'd all basically moved in around the same time of each other. But when somebody new moved in, we always brought a cake to welcome them to the neighborhood. This doesn't exist any longer, I'm afraid. As I said we could see all the way to Bell & Howell. There were factories. There were no factories at all. We fought to prevent factories. It turned out there was a comprehensive rezoning that was to be going on in Lincolnwood. We had one car at that time. My husband's was at work. So two of us walked with our baby buggies, and we went to Village Hall because they wouldn't tell us what the comprehensive rezoning was about. And they said the book was at the clerk's office and we should come and look at it. So we did, and we found out that you could not have a house of ill repute in Lincolnwood. And you could not have a sauerkraut factory. Those were the two prohibitions of Lincolnwood. And then we said, "Well, what was the comprehensive rezoning? What is that?" So she said, "Look in the back." So in the inside flap of the end of the book was a folded up piece of paper. It was like a map. And we said, "Oh, here's my house. Here's your house." And we said, "What's this M, which was to the east of us?" And she said, "Oh, that means manufacturing." Well we were assured that when we moved in, it was all single family residential. And we saw that M, we got hysterical. We went home. We alerted the entire neighborhood that they are trying to put factories in there. So we start fighting this thing. We hired an attorney and the whole bit. We were getting nowhere very rapidly. And then one day, we found out the mayor owned the property there. And we were in contact with the mayor's attorney. The land was not in the mayor's name, it was in the attorney's name and the attorney's secretary. But we found out that that was not the case that he really did own the land. And we were getting nowhere. And one of my neighbors was a builder in Lincolnwood, and he said, "I'll give you some information. I can't get involved, but maybe this could help you." There was a piece of property on the corner of Lunt and Crawford that he had a bid on, and they called and they said, "Somebody has bid more money. If you want to meet it, you know, you can have it be yours." I think it was he had bid 16,000. Somebody offered 18,000, I believe was the figure. And he said, "No, it's not worth any more than that. I'm not giving you that." So they said, "Okay." And they sold it. They sold the land to Mayor Proesel. And it turned out that's where they put Town Hall, a school there, and we didn't think it would look too good that he had prior knowledge of what was going to be built there. So we decided, well, should we tell the newspapers? We decided to call his attorney. And we told him we didn't think it would look very good in the papers that the mayor had prior knowledge of this and that's why he bought the land. He sold it to the school board for, I think it was $123,000. And then they built Town Hall there. We had a lot of different things with Mayor Proesel. We fought for the library. He said what do you need a library for? You've got Skokie, you can use that. Then we fought for the pool. And I will give you the quote. "What do you people need a pool for? You have the JCC." The "you people" hung there in pregnant quotes. And then we knew we had to do something, that we had to force him with a referendum. And we finally got the people to agree that they would like a pool in Lincolnwood. It opened in 1972. I started teaching "aquanastics" there in 1973. And I taught for 46 years. If it wasn't that the pool didn't open this year, I would have been there teaching again. Lev Kalmens 7:55 Are you still teaching? I mean with the exception of this year of course. Adrienne Stern 8:52 Correct. Lev Kalmens 8:53 Still teaching? Wow. Adrienne Stern 8:54 Yeah, and I've got muscles for sure. Let's see. We've seen many changes here in the area. So many different stores and restaurants, and they've changed and gone away and we miss them. Where the bank is. They just closed. Fifth Third had bought out the bank on Touhy and Crawford. And that was a grocery store. It was called Linwoods, and that was our favorite store. It was wonderful. I would send the kids there for just milk or whatever the hell we needed, and you didn't have to worry that it was right there in the neighborhood. We had a butcher shop there. We had a bakery there. We had a local drugstore and the snack shops. It's so different now. It's incredible. Lev Kalmens 9:48 So you said you moved to Lincolnwood, you said 1961. Right? Adrienne Stern 9:54 Correct. Lev Kalmens 9:55 So tell me a little bit about where you moved from, and why did you decided to move to Lincolnwood? Adrienne Stern 10:01 Okay, we lived in Logan Square which is where I grew up. It now became a very nice neighborhood. And it was always a great place to live, but now the yuppies have discovered it. When I got married, we didn't even have an apartment. You couldn't get in the apartments and things were really tight. We went on our honeymoon without having a place to come back to. And then my mother's butcher lived in this building on Sawyer Avenue, and he told her there was an apartment for rent there. My mother grabbed it for us. It was a three-and-a-half-room apartment and had just one bedroom. And we had adopted my son after seven years. And we decided because we needed a bigger place, it's time to go into a house. So we'd loved Lincolnwood. I thought it was a great place. By the way, where my building sits now on the corner of Touhy and Lincoln was a very famous, very lovely restaurant called the House of Pierre. My dad used to bring us here. We would travel all the way down Lincoln Avenue to get there. And they had strolling violinists. It was really a very classy place. I remember very distinctly. Anyhow, so we moved into the house, and it was a cute little small house. And then I gave birth to my other son three years later. We had wonderful neighbors and became dear, dear friends through the years. And even when one of them moved to California, we stayed with them when we went out there. I was closer to her than I think to my own sister, frankly. We were dear friends. She passed away 19 years ago. I miss her every single day. So my boys went to, you know, all the schools there: Town Hall, Rutledge, Lincoln Hall, and of course Niles West. They had a wonderful, excellent education all the way through [inaudible]. My older one is an engineer. He's a civil engineer. And my younger one is an entertainment attorney. And they both live in California unfortunately. Anyhow, we didn't really want to leave Lincolnwood. It was just part of our, you know ... My husband couldn't take the stairs anymore in the house. We had to find a building that had an elevator which is the reason we came here. And we're very happy here. We've always been involved in everything here in the village. My husband helped co-found the Lincolnwood Police Foundation and he was the treasurer there. I served on the Madeline Grants 2000 Commission. I forgot what they called it. It was going to be "what were you gonna do in the future? The future's here." I was also the treasurer of Friends of the Park. We were the ones who took over and did the carnival every summer. What else can I tell you? I think that Mayor Proesel is spinning in his grave right now. I'm not saying he was antisemitic, but he would die again if he knew we had a Jewish mayor and a Jewish police chief. It really cracks me up what I know about because he was he was not the most ecumenical guy you ever want to meet in your life. And I don't know what else I can tell you. Things are very, very different now. The diversity of the population here has changed drastically. The building that I live in is the perfect example. At one time. it was I think 95 or 90 to 95 percent Jewish. There are very few of us here now. We have Muslims, we have one Black family, several Asian families, and a lot of Montenegrins. So it's changed really quite a bit. But we still love it here and found that it was a great place to live. It was certainly close to Chicago whenever we wanted to go in. And yet we had the suburban life which was awesome. It was very nice. Lev Kalmens 15:13 After you moved out of your house, what kept you in Lincolnwood, as opposed to, you know, moving somewhere else? Adrienne Stern 15:23 Well, we knew everybody. We knew every mayor, I guess, afterwards. The police have changed drastically, but we're still friends with some of them who are now retired. And of course, my husband was on the Family Foundation--you know, the Police Foundation. And you had pools. Even though I have a pool here in my building, I still go to the Lincolnwood pool. Aside from teaching there, I have a lot of friends. We have a whole enclave at the pool that we'll see each other. As matter of fact, we just met for lunch last Wednesday at L. Woods. We keep in touch with each other. Lev Kalmens 16:05 How did you get involved in teaching at the pool? Adrienne Stern 16:10 How. Let me think. I was teaching certified. Well, the certification didn't come till afterwards. I started teaching before there was certification with the AEA, which is the Aquatic Education Association--Exercise Association. I taught at the Leaning Tower YMCA for a while. And then when we opened the pool up, the following year is when I started teaching there. And we started out with bleach bottles--I tried milk bottles, but they were too soft--in order to get to be able to work in the water. There was no equipment at that time. They didn't have the buoys, the weights, they didn't have noodles. It just didn't exist. So I had people saving their bleach bottles that were used to push down on the water. Then we started using eight-inch playground balls. But by that time, the AEA started coming out with equipment. And so I had at one time 25 or 26 women in the class. Now we're down to like I think it's nine. I have some of the original people are still in my classes as a matter of fact. They come back every year. We have a wonderful time. We do it to music. Now that there's more equipment, it's easier. We have the noodles that we use and the weights. It's fun; we have a wonderful time doing it. And my class is very, very loyal to me. They come back every year. Lev Kalmens 18:04 So like you said, some of the people have been with you the whole time that you've been teaching? Adrienne Stern 18:11 I have one or two that are still. We've gotten old together. Most have passed away already unfortunately, but I got some of them stuck with me all through the years. Lev Kalmens 18:24 So I wanted to go back a little bit. So you said you were born in Chicago, correct? And lived in Logan Square. Tell me a bit about your parents. Adrienne Stern 18:35 I was a very lucky girl. I had marvelous, marvelous parents and we had a wonderful life growing up. I have a younger sister. And my father was an exceptional man. It's hard to describe. Do you know what the word "Tzaddik" is? In Jewish lore, it is a righteous man. They believe there are 36 at one time in the world at all times. And I believe my dad was one of them. He was an incredible individual. Lev Kalmens 19:12 What made him so incredible in your opinion? Adrienne Stern 19:18 We didn't find out a lot of things that he did until his funeral and people were coming up to us and telling us. He paid for one man's honeymoon. That guy was about to leave for service and he paid for him to go to New York on is honeymoon. He paid for a woman to get piano lessons for her child. He'd help her pay for the piano. He was just an incredible guy. Loving. It's very hard. He was so wonderful. I just have trouble with remembering. I was lucky enough to find a man I married who was virtually very much like my dad, and I had a wonderful life with him. He just passed away seven months ago. And I consider myself very, very fortunate that we lived in a middle-class life when I was growing up, and we were never in want of anything. And my parents took very good care of us, taught us well, taught us to be charitable. My maiden name was Erlich. In German, that means honest. And my dad always felt that we should always live up to that. I hope that I have sustained his belief and followed in his footsteps. We've been very charitable. I feel that I've had a good life and you have to give back. It's our obligation. In Jewish it's called "tikkun olam," which really means to repair the world. And that's our obligation as Jews that we must help out other people and do what we must do for other people. Lev Kalmens 21:20 What about your mother? Adrienne Stern 21:21 My mother was a wonderful lady. She never worked. She was a wonderful housekeeper. She [inaudible]. She was a great cook and a great baker. And she and my dad lived a wonderful quiet, nice life. We never heard arguing in the house. She was active in Hadassah and the synagogue and the sisterhood. And she did wonderful things for us. Now I look back and I wonder how she even did it. We lived not far from transportation. We had to walk to the L at that time. But she took us to performances down at the Goodman Theatre. I remember seeing Alice in Wonderland and things like that. She always made sure we were exposed to plays and to the theater. And she took me down for my piano lessons Downtown. Originally, I took piano lessons in the house. And then I had to switch to something at Kimball Hall. And we would go for lunch afterwards. And I just have wonderful, wonderful memories. I've had a wonderful, wonderful childhood. Lev Kalmens 22:42 Were they born in Chicago, or did they immigrate? Adrienne Stern 22:49 Yeah, they immigrated. My dad was 20 years old. He came from a place called Galicia, which never existed after the First World War. Then it became Austria Hungary. Then it was Russia. Then it was Poland. Today is sits in the Ukraine. So the same place is still there, but it depends who won the war that week. He came when he was 20. My mother came when she was two years old from Minsk, which is Belorussia--White Russia. And she originally went to live in New York, and left New York when she was 10 years old, and they moved to a very small town here in Illinois called Amboy, Illinois. Most people never heard of it. It's near Sycamore and DeKalb and places like that. She had a sister there who was lonely, had married a man from DeKalb, and she drove her crazy. She wanted her to come and be family with her. So they lived in Amboy, Illinois. And then my grandmother couldn't stand that they left. In New York, they had electricity. They had indoor toilets. They got to Amboy, they had outdoor toilets, kerosene lamps, lighting, and they a well. She used to keep the meat down the well to keep cold. And because she was kosher, she never ate meat the entire time she was there, but she would give it to the kids. And finally she couldn't stand it anymore. She sent my grandfather on a Saturday to Chicago to go find some friends or something. And that's how they ended up moving to Chicago, which was my fortune because she met my dad. Lev Kalmens 24:49 And you know how they met? Adrienne Stern 24:51 Yeah, my dad's sister. My mother met her at a dance. And they got to be quite friendly and she introduced her to my dad. It was from the JPI. I think it was like Douglas Forward in the West Side. So that's how they met. Lev Kalmens 25:10 What are your own memories of growing up in Chicago? Where did you go to school? Adrienne Stern 25:17 I went to Darwin Grammar School, and I was supposed to go to Tuley and I didn't want to go to Tuley. My friends and I also decided we had to get permits, and at that time you had to talk to your alderman. I guess they had to pay off a little bit. And we all went to Roosevelt High School. We rode the Kimball bus all the way to Roosevelt. I used to walk to Kedzie and Logan Boulevard to catch the bus. They had taken the buses off during the Second World War because they had rubber wheels on them and they needed the rubber. So we had to take a streetcar originally when I first went. I think after the first year, we did put the buses back on. And we had a lot of stories with that. I had a mouton fur coat, which is a lamb of some sort. And when it got wet, it smelled terribly. It smelled like tomato herring. Really could describe it. And we had a locker at school. There were three of us that shared the locker, and we all had these heavy big mouton coats, and how we shoved them in and put our boots inside it. And I think of it now and we'd laugh. There's one of us still left besides me. It was fun. It was fun. There was a whole bunch of us who were the bus riders. Some of them came all the way from Division Street. And we were like a halfway mark before they picked us up. And sometimes the buses used to break down in fact quite frequently. And we would get a transfer from the bus driver to show when we came in late to school. We would use the transfer is our admit why were late. We had a lot of nice times and it was a good time. We were the first class after the war was over. And we graduated grammar school in '45 and high school in '49. It was a lovely time. It was a time when things were much simpler then. I remember my dad bringing home the first TV. And we were the only ones in our building, which was a six-flat building, who had a TV. So all the neighbors came to watch TV. Tuesday night was the big night. It was Milton Berle and afterwards was wrestling. And the pattern came on afterwards. My mother was saying let's open a restaurant because we had all these people there she was serving every night. And my landlady once said to my mother, "She shouldn't mind because you're making up [inaudible]." So it was fun. Then other people started getting TVs. And my dad kept bringing back bigger TVs because ours was kind of a little one. And every time they came out with a bigger size, he brought us the bigger one. And then when they came out with color, wow we were really well known in the neighborhood. But people started getting their own TVs, so it became a little easier. But meanwhile, I was in school and studying. I was a sophomore in '47. We had all these people in the house every night. It was kind of tough. But I remember distinctly it was an interesting time. We had chairs set up in the living room like theater style. We had a lot of people there. It was fun though. Lev Kalmens 29:18 How many people would come over on any given night? Adrienne Stern 29:22 Let me think. Three, six, nine ... probably a dozen. Yeah. Tuesday night was the big night because it was Milton Berle. Yeah. That was the biggest one. It was fun. There was no air conditioning originally. We had a park that was half a block away from us, south of us, called Palmer Park. And I remember going there with my parents and bringing blankets and our pillows and walking over to the park when it got very, very hot, and we slept in the park. I remember doing that two or three times in as a matter of fact. But that park was our neighborhood park, and all the kids knew everybody. Mostly the boys, I knew all the boys. They used to play baseball there, and it was not allowed. And the Shakespeare Avenue police department would always chase them away all the time. It was a terrible thing. Lev Kalmens 30:21 What were some of your hobbies? Or, what did you enjoy doing, growing up? Adrienne Stern 30:26 I'm an artist. So I've always had a pencil in my hand. And in the later years, I sculpted. And it got too heavy for me now, so then I just do watercolor. But I've always been an artist. I had a nack. That was my big hobby. And I play piano. I did play piano. I don't any longer. Lev Kalmens 30:51 How did the interest in art develop for you? Adrienne Stern 30:59 I think from school originally. The teacher knows, first of all, I'm terrible at math. And I found out I had a nice excuse that usually--unlike Leonardo da Vinci who could do both--most artists are not good at math. It's the other part of the brain or something. So thank God, I used that as an excuse. I do portraits. So whether in sculpting or in painting, now I like to do portraits. I do people, as opposed to objects. Unfortunately, it doesn't sell too well. Nobody wants somebody else's, you know, face hanging there, unless it's something really unusual and not necessarily pretty but an interesting face. We used to go to California for the winter months. And I took classes there and we had models. And quite often I would sell the pieces that I was working on to the model. They liked that I got their likeness. So I've sold I think four or five of those which is very nice. Lev Kalmens 32:15 Tell me how you and your husband met. Adrienne Stern 32:18 Oh, well. Do you know what Bnei Bris is? Bnei Bris is a Jewish organization. And at one time they had the youth boys club called ACA (alef-tzaddik-alef), and the girls were called BBG girls. I was president of my chapter many years ago. And because of it, we used to have meetings and different dances and different things like that. And I dated guys who were all over the city. It wasn't just in my high school, people that I knew. I dated guys who lived on the South Side, on the West Side, on the North Side because of having met them through Bnei Bris. And my husband was in ACA. I dated a couple of his boyfriend's before I got to him. And he called me one day. I remember seeing him at North Avenue Beach where he used to hang out there. And then he called me for a date. Our first date, believe it or not, was at the Chez Paree, which was at the time the most spectacular nightclub in Chicago. And we saw Nat King Cole there. That was 71 years ago. We were married five years later, so we were married 66 years, last January. And I say I lost him in April. Anyhow, we stayed friends with most of the people that we knew from BBG and ACA. And I still see some of them today after so many years. We know each other from high school days, which was really incredible. And then we got after many years later in 1954, the year we got married, I joined a City of Hope group. To make a long story short, my chapter lasted seven years. I was president of the time. And then we joined a couples group, which was called the Bobby [inaudible] Chapter City of Hope. And we remained very, very active with that. As a matter of fact, I ended up being on the National Board of Directors in California. And I was on the board for 22 years. When they changed the board, we were put on something called the Board of Regents--I called the board of rejects. They changed the board drastically by having people serve on there who are like the president of American Airlines and people like that. And they pay $10,000 a year to serve on the board. So it just became a completely different setup, but they wanted their expertise and their money. And we still remained as the Board of Regents as advisory people. And I say after all these years, I'm still president of my chapter. And we raised over $4 million. From the time of its inception in 1961, I believe. We just had a virtual Walk for Hope. We had the walks every year for breast cancer. And I turned in $13,000, almost $14,000. And that's pretty fair. But I've got a cousin in California who gives me $10,000 every year, so that helps. And then his son started giving me $2,000. So I raise, you know, almost $2,000 myself. So the place is incredible. It's 102 acres. There are many discoveries that have come out of our laboratories. If you know anybody that's diabetic, they take something called Humalog that came out of our laboratories. We were getting $36 million a year in royalties from Eli Lilly. Then the patent ran out, so we don't get that anymore. But at one time, City of Hope was a free hospital, and of course it became impossible to do that. But they do accept insurance. And they give out quite a bit of free care regardless. Most hospitals don't give out more than 5%. And we give out something like 40% free care, which is pretty fantastic. And it's just a fabulous place. They're working right now on diabetes very, very strongly. They've got a few cures, but they can't call them cures yet till there are many more people--the type 1 diabetics--who no longer have to take insulin. Ashley Furniture gave us $50 million (five-oh). Their grandson is diabetic, and they promised him within six years they would have a cure. And they're working very hard on it. It looks looks very, very promising. So I'm very proud of them. They're terrific and they do a fabulous thing at cancer. They were one of the first ones to do the Da Vinci machine where they did robotic surgery, mostly originally on prostate cancer. And then it got bigger and bigger, and they use it for many, many things now. They have six operatories, and they have six of the robotic machines in there. Each lab has its own. So they're $6 million at least each. And so they've got one in every one of the operatories. And it's quite a place. The thing is that it is done with love, absolute love. There's no profit in curing the body if in the process we destroy the soul. So it's with a great deal of compassion and love. Lev Kalmens 39:17 What drives you to maintain this engagement and activity. Adrienne Stern 39:24 One time, I was walking down the hall at City of Hope. We were at convention at that time, we used to take us through the halls during the tours. They don't do that any longer if there's patients there. And there was a lady sitting in a rocking chair, holding her baby and rocking back and forth. And I found out the child had Tay-Sachs disease, which is one of the Jewish diseases. And the child was not expected to live more than two and a half years. And there were times I got very upset with people over petty little things. And I remember that mother's face and the hopelessness and the sadness of when she sat there rocking that baby back and forth. And that's what kept me going for a long, long time. I felt I was doing some good and I was helping, and it's very gratifying. I think I got more out of it than City of Hope. Lev Kalmens 40:26 I did want to ask, you mentioned at the very beginning about being involved in getting the library in Lincolnwood up and running. Can you talk to me a little bit about that? Adrienne Stern 40:37 Yeah, they had bought this--I think it was a Jewel, if I'm not mistaken, or an A&P. I think it was Jewel. Lev Kalmens 40:44 The Jewel, yes. Adrienne Stern 40:45 And it was right where the library is now. And they were excited that they had bought this property, and there was a heavy, heavy snow that year and the roof came in. And that was the end. They had to tear the whole thing down and build a whole new library. But we put on a show to raise money. And that was a fun thing. It was really neat. We named Sonia Marshak, who wrote the thing and directed it. It was very, very clever. We all had dual parts. I was Dorothy from the Wizard of Oz, and my other part was Dorothy Parker. The thin man was also the tin man. Noah Coward was the Cowardly Lion. It was so clever. It was absolutely fabulous. I think we had two or three different performances. And we raised money for the library. We started out with that. Lev Kalmens 41:43 Where were the performance held for that? Adrienne Stern 41:45 At Lincoln Hall? Yeah, I think it was probably Lincoln Hall. Yeah, it was fun. It was fun. I had Toto in a basket. I carried my little dog with me. It wasn't my dog. It was a stuffed dog. But I had braids. I still have my ruby red slippers which I made out of red sequins--sequins all over the shoes to make my red slippers. Yeah, it was a fun thing. We rehearsed at Sonia Marshak's house all the time. And then we did our performances. It was cute. So we were the original ones to support the library before there was Friends of the Library. By the way, I'm putting a bench outside the library in memory of my husband. We're waiting for the plaque to be finished. He was there every day. It was his second home. He said he read every newspaper you had from all over the country. So everybody knew him. He was there all the time. What a fitting thing for me to put that there in his memory. Lev Kalmens 43:01 Any other final memories about your life or your life in Lincolnwood as we wrap up? Adrienne Stern 43:10 It was a charmed life. I think it was wonderful. We had a wonderful little house. And we moved into this lovely little [inaudible] building here afterwards. But this was without any disruptions, without any heartaches, any something. I mean I've had a wonderful, wonderful life, and I couldn't imagine living anywhere else. It was a very convenient place to live, as I said, because it was so close to the city. And we did use the city. And it was nice. It was always ... you knew everybody. Everybody was friendly and warm. And it was just a wonderful place to raise my children. And I think that they look upon it very family. My younger one is still very much involved with all his friends that he met: some at least from kindergarten, and then kids that he met in Niles West, and then the kids he met at Champagne. And he's kind of a Pied Piper. He melded all these people together. They're all one big group. And no matter where they live, they're all one big happy family. I've never seen kids like that in my life. Some of them were from Morton Grove, some of them from Lincolnwood, some several from other places. And they've all become friends all because of my son. He was the catalyst that pulled them all together, and I'm proud of him too. Lev Kalmens 44:59 Well, I want to thank you for taking the time and sharing your story and your Lincolnwood story with me. Adrienne Stern 45:06 Thank you. I appreciate your doing this. 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For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource My Lincolnwood Story Description An account of the resource My Lincolnwood Story was an oral history project which aimed to explore the past and present of Lincolnwood by documenting stories of its residents. The main goal of this project was to record, preserve, and share audio interviews with the Lincolnwood community in order to connect residents with the history of their neighbors. This project presented Lincolnwood residents with an opportunity to share their story, and for all patrons – a chance to learn about the diverse community of Lincolnwood. Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource My Lincolnwood Story - Frances Salvi Subject The topic of the resource “Different families move in and out, [but] to me, the way the village has been run, it’s pretty much the same as it was in the beginning. That’s why it has remained a very good place to live.” Frances Salvi has been a Lincolnwood resident for nearly 55 years. She was born in Chicago’s Chinatown neighborhood before her family moved to Sauganash Park. She met her husband, Salvano, in 1965 and together they moved to Lincolnwood in 1966, where they live to this day. Her maternal and paternal grandparents immigrated from Sicily, via Ellis Island, in 1907 and 1912, respectively, and settled in Chicago. Frances fondly remembers the yearly Halloween bonfire organized by the Lincolnwood Police Department, the time she spent studying voice in Italy, and the changes Lincolnwood has seen over the years. This interview was recording using Zoom. The views and opinions expressed in interviews do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the Lincolnwood Public Library, including its Board of Trustees and staff. TRANSCRIPT: Lev Kalmens 0:00 My name is Lev Kalmens. I'm an Information Services Librarian at the Lincolnwood Public Library. Today is November 6, 2020. And I'm interviewing Francis Salvi for our oral history project. Francis, thank you so much for joining me, and what is your Lincolnwood Story? Frances Salvi 0:17 Well, I can start out by saying that I started out in Chinatown, where I was born. I went to grammar school there. And then my parents, because of the Circle campus being built, moved from Chinatown to Sauganash Park. After we moved to Sauganash Park, I grew up at Queen of All Saints, and went to school there. Then I went to school, to a girl's school in Evanston. Then I went to Barat College in Lake Forest, and after that I decided to go to Italy to see where my grandfather was born. So I took a trip on the Leonardo da Vinci in 1965 and the day I got on the ship, I met Silvano Salvy, who became my husband a year later. We stayed at my mother's house for two months and had purchased this house in Lincolnwood - because my mother's neighbor had a nephew - and she sent me on Crawford Avenue and Pratt to look for the duplex that was for sale next to her nephew's house. I got lost. I kept going and I went past this school on Crawford and made a left turn onto Lunt Avenue. Driving down to Lunt and Kedvale, I found our house. We purchased the house, and two months later my husband came from Italy. We got married a month later. And then we moved to Italy and we've been here since 1966. Then our children came. Emilio and Sam. They are two years apart, and went all through Lincolnwood school. They went to Loyola Academy. After they started in grammar school, I started to become a real estate agent for a small company that was here in Lincolnwood and sold real estate up until even today. Lev Kalmens 2:21 Just to clear up: how exactly did you end up living in Lincolnwood? Frances Salvi 2:27 Alright. My mother's neighbor, who lived down Karlov and Devon in that area, Sauganash Park... Lev Kalmens 2:32 Right. Frances Salvi 2:33 My mother had a neighbor whose nephew lived on Pratt. She told me knowing that I was going to be married, and that we were looking for a house. I was looking with my parents because my husband hadn't come yet. She said to me one day, go over to Crawford and Pratt. She wanted me to make a right turn on to Pratt and I missed it. I drove past the school going north. The first street I turned left on was Lunt. I looked, and I thought, oh, this is really nice here. All the elm trees met in the middle as you drove down the street. I came upon a house on the corner of Kedvale and Lunt that was for sale by owner. So I went home that night; my parents came home from work, and we all three got in the car and drove over to this house and knocked on the door and asked the people if we could see it. That's how we connected with the owners. Then my husband came that Thursday that same week, and we brought him here to the house. We told the people we were going to buy it. That was 1966. Lev Kalmens 3:50 What are your memories of Lincolnwood back in the mid to late 60s? Frances Salvi 3:57 Well, it being near Halloween, I always remember the bonfires and the Halloween contests. Do you know what I mean by the bonfires that were set up in the park? Lev Kalmens 4:10 I've heard it from from a few people. So, yes. Frances Salvi 4:13 All right. The police used to make a great big fence, and in the middle of the fence in the park - I believe it was on, I'm not sure if it was on the tennis courts, but it might have been - they would pile old wood and furniture and all kinds of things into a huge pile. Halloween night they would give out candy and a prizes to the best costumes for the children. Then they would light the bonfire, and everybody went to the park and the weather was usually very nice. We'd watch the bonfire, and then everybody went home. That was something that was discontinued a few years later in the 70s. I don't know why. I think maybe they thought it was dangerous. But they did continue having the Halloween contest and giving out the candy. At one point, they gave out hotdogs, too. We were here when they opened the first pool. That was a big thing, to have a beautiful pool. That summer, my children and I went there every day, to the pool. And let's see, what else can I remember? I can't think of anything else unique to Lincolnwood except for the bonfire. Lev Kalmens 5:37 Let's talk a bit about your family. Tell me a little bit about your parents and where they were from. Frances Salvi 5:48 Okay. Well, I'll start with my grandparents [who] migrated from Sicily, all four of them: my mother's parents and my father's parents in the early 1900s came through Ellis Island. My one set, my maternal grandparents, came in 1907. My paternal grandparents came in 1912. They went through Ellis Island and landed in Chicago because they had relatives that lived here. They didn't know each other; however, they were from two small towns in Sicily. My father's father from Nicosia, and my mother's parents from Calascibetta. Those two towns are about an hour away from each other by car. So they came here and they went to Chinatown because that was the Sicilian neighborhood. There was a church there, and it's still there, called Santa Maria Incoronata. The church, the masses, and everything were said in Italian and Latin. That's where I went to school. Later on, the St. Therese's Chinese mission purchased the church. I believe it was in either the late 70s or 80s. The church is still there. We lived on Alexander Street. My parents met at the church. My dad was selling tickets to a dance, and my mother was attending with her sister. They got married in 1938 in Chinatown, and we lived there until I was 10. When I was 10, and they built the Circle campus and the Eisenhower Expressway, we moved to Karlov Avenue and Devon. My father was a Northern Trust Vice President and my mother worked for Carson Pirie Scott. She was John T. Pirie, Jr.'s secretary for 17 years, and she worked at the store 37 years. They lived until 1994; my father passed away. My mother passed away in 2004. They lived exactly five blocks away from where I live now, so we were very close. Lev Kalmens 8:13 Talk to me a little bit about your childhood, even before Lincolnwood, just growing up in Chinatown. Frances Salvi 8:21 Oh, that was fun. Lev Kalmens 8:23 What your life was like? Frances Salvi 8:25 Well, we had to walk a pretty long way to school because the church was on our street, but the school was about nine blocks away. I walked every day rain or shine - it didn't matter, at least when I was about in third grade, I think I started walking - and I was there until I was in fourth grade. But we learned how to do double dutch jump ropes, and we played jacks. It was really fun there. We would go outside for recess every afternoon, and there were grocery stores around. You could go in and put a penny in the gumball machine, and I actually still have the things that I won in the gumball machines. You could buy french fries. It was a very nice time. You could walk anywhere without any fear or anything. It was a good time. Lev Kalmens 9:27 Do you remember who your friends were at that point? Frances Salvi 9:29 Yes, I have kept in touch with about two friends, but one just passed away recently. They were both nurses. They were twins and one got married. One was single all her life. After I moved from Chinatown I kept in touch with them, and I did go back to one of the reunions. But then later on, being here in the Sauganash Park area, I made a lot of friends. We have kept in touch, and recently had our 60th grammar school reunion. It was in 2016. We had 75 people attend, and we had it at Colletti's, which is a restaurant on Elston and Central. It was really fun to see everyone again. Lev Kalmens 10:28 Now, so you mentioned that you met your husband when you were going to Italy... Frances Salvi 10:35 Right. Well, the reason I went to Italy was I was studying mezzo soprano voice at school. I had private coaches. I was also in the Glee Club and did some solos. But since the time I was small...I have a brother who passed away in 1990; my grandfather used to say to him, I'm going to take you to the old country, meaning Sicily. I would always say, "Me, too! I want to go! I want to go!" That wasn't going to happen; he was going to take my brother. In 1965, I decided this is it, I'm going to take a trip. I incorporated some studying for voice in Italy. I left on June 2, and I stayed three months. I left on the ship, the Leonardo da Vinci, and that's where my husband was working. He was the pursers assistant and the waiter of my table. The trip takes eight days. It was a really nice trip. The weather was beautiful. The trip was beautiful. When I landed in Sicily - excuse me, I landed in Naples - my Sicilian cousins were there to meet me. I didn't speak a word of Italian. I got off the ship in Naples, and there was a man with a sign that had my last name on it. That's how I met my cousins. They took me to this village where nobody spoke English. So I had no choice. I had a book, a small book, and I learned from the table how to say fork, knife, spoon, glass, glass of water, glass of wine, etc. That's how I started to learn. I stayed with them for 12 days, and was able to communicate very, very minimally in a way that they could understand and I could understand. The longer I stayed in Italy, the more I learned. I became fairly fluent, not grammatically correct, but fairly fluent. Lev Kalmens 12:50 Why did you decide for the trip to go by ship versus by airplane? Frances Salvi 12:57 Well, first of all, airplanes were not that popular in those days. I had been on an airplane, and I wasn't thrilled with it. I wanted to have the experience of going by ship. I had read everything I could. Then went to a travel agency at Carson Pirie Scott, and the man coached me on the different ships.In those days you had first, second, and third class. I thought, well, I'll go in the middle. So I went second class. In those days, on the ships you went to the same table every day for breakfast, lunch and dinner. There were dress codes; you had to dress for dinner. It was quite different than today where everyone is very casual. In 1965, it was the beginning of airplane travel and kind of the end of the ship traveling. I decided that I wanted the experience of going on the ship and seeing what it was like; being influenced by the movies and the Three Coins in the Fountain and all of those wonderful movies. I wanted to see Rome and Florence; I especially wanted to see Florence. I went to the Art Institute and took a class on Etruscan history. I thought that summer that that would help; the the year before I went to Italy that that would help me immerse myself in some of the culture besides what I knew from my own family. I wanted to take the ship because of the experience of going by ship. That's how I ended up on the ship. I came back on a brand new ship called the Raffaello. The Leonardo was a little bit older but the Raffaello was brand new. They both took eight days to come back; going and coming back eight days each way. Lev Kalmens 15:00 While you were in Italy - you said you went there to study? Frances Salvi 15:04 Yes, I went to study voice. I tried to coordinate my trip with some of the religious festivals, and in Sicily there was a festival. It was called the Body of Christ, Corpus Domini. In those towns, they process with the large statue of the Virgin Mary, and they sing; it was very ancient sounding. You would go to all these different churches and they actually celebrated the feasts, Friday, Saturday and Sunday. I tried to coordinate with different feasts and also some public celebrations. I went to Sienna to see the Palio, which is the horse race. I went actually to study voice. But then after I met Silvano, he decided that we would get together and go to his town, which is very close to Cinque Terre, the Italian Riveria, and it's called Lerici. That's where Mary Shelley wrote the story of Frankenstein, and where Lord Byron and Shelley, both lived and wrote their poetry. Lord Byron died; he he drowned in the Bay of the Poets, which is where Lerici and San Terenzo, the two small villages, that my husband's family grew up in. Lev Kalmens 16:43 What pushed you to, or inspired you to, study voice at that time? Frances Salvi 16:49 Oh, I had been singing all the way from the time I was in grammar school in different choirs. My father was the one who really wanted me to go to the Lyric. But in that type of lifestyle, you really don't have...it's very hard to have a normal life if you're a singer, famous actor or anything. But I always like the singing, so I did continue. After I graduated college, I taught at the Convent of the Sacred Garden on Sheridan Road. I was the speech and drama teacher and I did the choir. I was a music teacher; not music, but singing teacher. My father was the one who wanted me to do that. But I decided that wasn't going to be the kind of life that I was going to pursue because it's a very lonesome life. Lev Kalmens 17:53 It is; yeah, I can imagine. Frances Salvi 17:55 I mean, if you've seen Maria Callas' recent movie - it's a story about her life - she expresses it very, very well: either you have your career or you have a family. Some people are lucky and are able to do that, but it's very rare to have both. I could see that I wasn't really that enthusiastic about being on the stage, although I love being in the speech and drama. That was my major. Lev Kalmens 18:34 Speaking of family, when you did move to Lincolnwood, you said you had or you have rather, you said two children, correct? Frances Salvi 18:44 Yes, I did. We had two sons. My first son is Emilio, and he was named after my father-in-law, my husband's father. That's a tradition to do that. My second son is named after my father, Sam. So there's Emilio and Sam. They were born in 69 and 60; excuse me, 67 and 69. They went to Lincoln Hall, all through school, and Sam was in the first preschool that they had at Lincoln Hall. I think the teacher's name was Miss Marcucci, I think. They have friends that they met in that school up to this day. Lev Kalmens 19:36 Well... Frances Salvi 19:37 Even though most of them, the kids, went to Niles West, and Sam and Emilio until Loyola, excuse me - and Sam and Emilio went to Loyola Academy - they still kept their friends. Every year one of my son's has dinner with about seven or eight of the fellas that they went to school with that lived in Lincolnwood. They had a good life too, they like to... Lev Kalmens 20:05 I was gonna ask a bit more about their childhood, growing up in Lincolnwood. Frances Salvi 20:12 Well, they were able to walk to school because in the area where we live - which is west of Crawford, south of Touhey, north of Pratt, and east of Lincoln - there is no bus. You have to either drive or walk. That was a big influence on where I chose to send my children because I could have sent them to the same grammar school I went to, but that's on Devon near Cicero. It was too far away. At that time, we only had one car, and my husband would take the car to work every day. We decided that the walking only three blocks to Crawford from Kedvale here would be fine. That's why we sent them there. We were very happy with the school. I was a little bit involved; I used to get involved with the kids' plays and things. But it was just a minimal, voluntary basis. That was fun to be involved with that. They liked the school and they liked their friends. They would bicycle around everywhere here. At that time, there was no pool. But then, of course, when the pool came in, they would go there. Eventually, one of my children worked for the Village as a groundskeeper for one summer, and Emilio was working at the - now, I won't remember the name of it - but there was a toboggan slide on Devon and Milwaukee. Lev Kalmens 21:49 Sure. Frances Salvi 21:50 I can't think of the name of the pool, but he worked there one summer. Sam worked as a groundskeeper in Lincolnwood for one summer, and then he worked for the Park District in Chicago other summers. Then from there they went on to work...well, my one son has been working at Northern Trust, for 35 years, I think 36 now. Sam is a real estate appraiser, who does appraisals of commercial property. Both of them are kind of in finance and real estate; they are in that kind of thing, finance and real estate. We talk a lot about the market. We talk a lot about buildings and things around Chicago; apartment buildings and office buildings that he goes to every day, even today. Lev Kalmens 22:46 You mentioned you also ended up in real estate; how did that transition happen for you? Frances Salvi 22:51 Well, that happened again - my father was very influential in my life. My parents kept urging me; and I had a brother who was in real estate, and he was an attorney. He urged me to take the license and begin to work in real estate. My dad knew a man who owned the company here, and I went to interview with him. My husband and I both went. I'm telling you, the way I'm talking now, you would not believe this. When I went to interview, it was probably - let's see, Sam was three - probably 1972. I didn't say a word. I didn't say one word during that interview. The man called my father and he said, "Are you sure it wasn't your daughter that came from Italy? Because she should say one word." So my husband and I left, and he said, "Okay, well, you go first, and if it works for you, we'll see." So anyway, I took the test. In those days, you didn't have to go to school. I took the test, and luckily I passed it, because after I passed that test, they made a rule that you would have to go to real estate school to get your license. I wouldn't have been able to; I didn't have a babysitter or any of that. That was just timing. I got the license in '73 and started working. We sold primarily in Lincolnwood, Skokie, Morton Grove, and we would branch out to Edgebrook and Sauganash. When the computer systems came in, it opened up a whole new world. I would sell things even as far as California and New York City because I knew people that were traveling, and they had things that they wanted to sell. But, in the old days, you stayed right in your village. It was so different. Lev Kalmens 24:53 Tell me a little bit about...I imagine you had a lot of various family traditions. Either with you growing up, or when your children were growing up. Were there any traditions that stand out that you may have passed on, that were passed on from one generation to the other? Frances Salvi 25:11 Well, of course, when we lived in Chinatown we lived upstairs from my grandmother. She had four sons: three were married, and one was a bachelor. We always went to her table for Thanksgiving, Christmas and Easter. Later on, as I could understand it, as I got older, I realized how hard it was. Because of course, my mother wanted to go to her family's. So we would have to negotiate every year how far we were going to be able to eat at my grandmother's downstairs. Then, for Thanksgiving, go to my aunts and uncles on my mother's side. My grandmother would make food. She made eight loaves of bread every Saturday. She made her own pasta. I used to help her - not help her, I was there - and I would see how she made the pasta. Every Saturday morning, I would be down there with her. I'm sure I was of no help at all. She tolerated my presence; that's all I can say. I'm not the cook of the family, but my husband is very good cook. The traditions of having the meal every week, I mean every holiday with her, was really something very strong. Our tradition in our own family was we always had spaghetti and meatballs on Sunday; my mother would make her own sauce. She didn't make her own pasta, but she would make meatballs and her own sauce. Then when we moved north and all the sons that were married and had children each moved into their own homes. My one uncle who was bachelor stayed with my grandparents until they died. We all would try to get together periodically, if not for the major holidays, at least during the summer once in a while we'd go to each other's homes. We did remain very close. I have cousins who call me, I would say two or three times a week, from St. Louis and other cousins who live in Des Plaines, and all over. We still talk to each other and are pretty close. We had these [inaudible] and the Thanksgiving turkey. My grandmother had four sons and she would make whatever they wanted. We had not only turkey, we had chicken and beef and sausage and soups, and she would make everything. Even though she worked - when I was very young, she worked outside the house. She then quit working and she stayed home. She was really a fabulous cook. Lev Kalmens 27:36 The area that you that you described where you live in Lincolnwood that's pretty close to the library, correct? Frances Salvi 28:21 Yes, the library used to be the Jewel food store. Lev Kalmens 28:25 Right. So I was gonna ask - of course, I understand that the library kind of didn't appear about maybe 15 years later after you had moved to Lincolnwood. But do you remember...? Frances Salvi 28:35 Right. Well, the one thing I remember in particular - and this doesn't really have to do with the library - but when the big snowstorm came in 1967 in January, my son was born in March, and we were quarantined in the house for five days. The only way that we could get groceries was we took a sled and walked to the library. Which was the jewel food store? Lev Kalmens 29:11 Right. Frances Salvi 29:12 I'll never forget that. I don't remember how many exact years it was that the library came. But I do remember that we did buy a brick with her family name on it. That was one of their first...well, years later, they had a promotion to support the library. I did have a name, but I don't know if they still have it. I went to look for it one time and they didn't. They've redone that, and done something else now. Lev Kalmens 29:42 Yeah, the bricks...I think when the building was renovated the lastest time in 2017, the bricks were removed and I think there's a...I think the names of the people who have who had bricks purchased are on the big window when you first walk in to the building. In addition to the library, and you mentioned the Jewel, what were some of the other businesses, whether it was restaurants or stores... Frances Salvi 30:18 Okay. Lev Kalmens 30:19 ...that you remember? Frances Salvi 30:20 Well, thinking back now, we were really pioneers because there were no malls. There were no Village Crossing. There was no Village Crossing. But there was a restaurant, there was a hamburger place on Lincoln and it was, I think, near where the Walgreen is. Oh, they had peanuts. Where did you remember? Well, you may not remember. But they had these restaurants where people would eat peanuts and throw the shells on the floor. It had something to do with a hamburger. I can't think of it. There was Howard Johnson's, too. Also, there was a restaurant called The Fireside Inn, and there was a florist shop called Ernie's Florist that had been there for years. I think The Fireside burned to the ground. This is where David's Gift Shop was on the corner of Touhy and Kostner. The mall there. Lev Kalmens 31:34 Right, right. The Starbucks was in that same space, right? Frances Salvi 31:39 Yes. Lev Kalmens 31:40 Like a print shop? Frances Salvi 31:42 Yes. There was a store there. It was called David's and they had antiques; beautiful antiques and lamps. You could get your lampshades made there. The owner, his name was David, I think, Goldberg. He lived upstairs with his wife and mother. They owned the whole property for years. Then he really scaled down to a much smaller store. Then eventually he sold the whole mall property. Lev Kalmens 32:16 In your 55 years in Lincolnwood, how has, in your opinion, how has the village...what changes have you seen? Frances Salvi 32:26 Well, the biggest changes are the availability of all the different types of shops, malls, and restaurants that are here now compared to 54 years ago. There was only the Jewel food store, and only the school and only the park. There were no malls or shops to walk to, or even drive to. The purple motel was there or hotel. But other than that, there were no condominiums. The first condominium was built on Devon and Cicero. That was built in the late 70s. As a matter of fact, Nicky Weiss is the man who built that building. He passed away about two months ago. He built the Hampton Place on Touhy and Lincoln, and there are two others called the Barkeley and then the Lincolnwoods Suites. Those were the only big buildings that came about in the late 70s. Prior to that, everything was one story high. I'm not talking commercial except for the bank on the corner of Lincoln and Touhy. That was the only highrise that we had. Other than that, there were three story or two story houses, but most of the homes were ranches. A lot of the ranches got torn down, and the lots were divided into two. Millennium Homes were built where they were more straight up and down; lots of space, but it was three stories. Lev Kalmens 34:22 Any other final thoughts, memories, that you'd like to share? Frances Salvi 34:27 Well, I think my biggest, fondest memories were I would say the bonfire and the pool. I don't know; it was just a great place. It is just a great place to live regardless of the changes, I still like it here. Lev Kalmens 35:03 Well, you stayed for such a long time. Frances Salvi 35:06 I intend to stay here forever. We have no plans of selling. We live in a ranch with one level; we have a basement. But I really enjoy my garden. Everything is pretty much the same. I mean, as far as our house, well, he did say that when we first moved here, we had a two bedroom house, it was the smallest house on the block. And 10 years later, we added out it was a rectangle, and we added another rectangle, which made four bedrooms and three baths. And they became a livable place for four people. So now we use four place for four people, there's two of us. And we still utilize Oh, pretty much the whole house. But what I meant by things are the same is that yes, different families move in and out. And but the area to me has, I mean, the, the way that the village has been run, it's pretty much the same as it was in the beginning where everybody kind of follows the rules. So put your garbage meals out at a certain hour and take them in street sweeping and all of that all of the amenities are still here. So that's why it's remained a very good place to live. Lev Kalmens 36:40 Well, I would like to thank you for taking the time and speaking with me about your history in Lincolnwood, and contributing to our oral history project. Frances Salvi 36:53 Oh, you're welcome. 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Title A name given to the resource Paul Grant at the dedication of the Madeleine Grant Garden Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource My Lincolnwood Story Description An account of the resource My Lincolnwood Story was an oral history project which aimed to explore the past and present of Lincolnwood by documenting stories of its residents. The main goal of this project was to record, preserve, and share audio interviews with the Lincolnwood community in order to connect residents with the history of their neighbors. This project presented Lincolnwood residents with an opportunity to share their story, and for all patrons – a chance to learn about the diverse community of Lincolnwood. Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource My Lincolnwood Story - Paul Grant Subject The topic of the resource “My wife came to me one night and said, “Paul, what would you say if I said I thought I’d run for mayor?“ I said I’ve been waiting two months for [her] to tell me that [she] was going to do this.” Paul Grant has lived in Lincolnwood for the better part of the last 60 years. From the addition of the pool to the establishment of the library, he has seen a lot of change in that time. Mr. Grant talks about growing up in Oak Park, meeting his wife, Madeleine, teaching at Loyola University, and being active in the Lincolnwood community. This interview was recording using Zoom. The views and opinions expressed in interviews do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the Lincolnwood Public Library, including its Board of Trustees and staff. TRANSCRIPT: Lev Kalmens 0:00 My name is Lev Kalmens, I'm an Information Services Librarian at the Lincolnwood Public Library. Today is September 2nd 2020 and I'm interviewing Paul Grant for my Lincolnwood story, our oral history project. Paul, thank you for joining me and what is your Lincolnwood story? Paul Grant 0:18 Well, I've lived here for about 57 years. I became active in the village about 20 years ago, and my wife and a few others decided we needed a library. She headed up the library and I worked as a volunteer for years. Then when she ran for mayor, I also worked as a volunteer as [inaudible]. After she had passed away, after some years, I was appointed to the ad hoc sewer commission, which I served on for about 60 years. Then -- six years, I'm sorry, seemed like 60. I then served two four year terms on the Zoning Board of Appeals. I stepped down from there, I didn't accept your nomination about three years ago because my health was starting to fail. Lev Kalmens 1:18 So tell me, how did you end up in Lincolnwood in the first place? Paul Grant 1:23 Well I was a West sider, I grew up in Oak Park. After my marriage in 1959 my wife and I settled temporarily in Forest Park and then in Bellwood, and then began to look for, when she was pregnant, a more permanent home. She started to look at the north side and each week we'd look a little further north. Finally, she came home one night and said she thought she'd found the perfect place and it was in Lincolnwood. She just kept moving further north every week. Lev Kalmens 2:02 What are your initial memories of what Lincolnwood was like in the early 1960s? Paul Grant 2:08 It was a very well run village. I mean in the great storm, it was '63 I think it was, the streets were clear the next morning, but you couldn't get out of Lincolnwood. But everything seemed to be, except Mayor Proesel idea of Lincolnwood, and he professed this, this is not my opinion, was it was a dormitory community and that the people would really rest here, but could get their entertainment and their work and so on and so forth in Chicago. That ended a little bit when some people got him to hold a referendum on a swimming pool a few years later. That passed overwhelmingly, but it was the only thing done for many years really. Adding amenities to the life of the village. But the village seemed to efficiently run operations. Lev Kalmens 3:05 Do you think that like the addition of the pool was something that benefited the village in the long run? Paul Grant 3:11 Oh, I think so. I think it very much did. Lev Kalmens 3:15 So going back a little bit. You said you grew up on the west side? What do you remember about growing up? What did your parents do for a living? Tell me a little bit about your childhood. Paul Grant 3:28 Well, my father was an auditor with the Tribune. My mother was a homemaker. I was the oldest of six children, and there wasn't a lot of assets around the house, to say the least. You know, Park was a quiet suburb much like Evanston. They used to rival each other, as a matter of fact. They were both dry communities, both had good schools and both had little crime. We always felt boys and girls, we could go out any place and have our fun without worrying about anything. There weren't a lot of cars. This was just before during the war. I guess just before I think I moved, I'm sorry. Just before during the war, and I stayed, stayed through school. Then went into the service in '54 for about two and a half years. Uncle Sam wanted my presence a little longer than he told me it would take. Then I married in '59. Lev Kalmens 4:42 You said you served in 1954, what was the extent of your duty? Paul Grant 4:46 I was stationed in France in a reserve unit to the US Army Headquarters in Germany. My duties are classified. Lev Kalmens 5:02 Alright, and then so you said you got married in 1959, how did you meet your wife? Paul Grant 5:13 I met her in my senior year of college at Loyola. Somebody said he wanted me to meet a young lady. She was in a local coffee shop and I was introduced to her. We became friendly and when I went in service, I asked her if she'd write to me and she said yes. When I came out of service, she was engaged and so things trailed off obviously. About six months later and this must have been about '55 I guess, I bumped into her in the same coffee shop where I first met her; I found out she was no longer engaged so I asked her out. When we got married in '59, I didn't have a job; I'd been going to graduate school. When we came home from our honeymoon, I had three contracts waiting for me. Lev Kalmens 6:11 So what was your first job then? Paul Grant 6:14 I became an administrator and faculty member instructor in Loyola's Graduate School of Labor Relations, as a member of the full time faculty. I also was the assistant to the administrator. I handled most of the the academic paperwork, interviews and so on, accepting students, rejecting students or whatever. Lev Kalmens 6:41 How long were you at Loyola University? Paul Grant 6:48 For about 40 years. Lev Kalmens 6:49 Oh wow! Paul Grant 6:50 I was asked to take over the university's pension programs. I did so and then after a couple of years, they asked me really to handle human resources. My title was an Assistant Vice President of Finance, but I was really the university's chief human resource director. In the late '50s, I was one of three finance officers who was delegated by the university to help integrate the brand new medical center we were building. We had never had a medical center that included a dental school, a medical school, a 500 and some odd bed hospital, and ancillary services. I don't think I'll ever forget the date of May 23rd, 1969; the day we opened the hospital. During all that time I continued teaching part time, and was considered a member of the full time faculty. I finally left the administration, I think its '91 and went back to teaching full time, then retired January 1 of 1996. Lev Kalmens 8:15 What did you find most fulfilling about teaching? Paul Grant 8:19 Well I'll tell you a story, one night probably about '94, I was standing at the elevator with the director of our program. We were both going to class and he looked at me as we were waiting for the elevator and he said "to think they pay us for doing this"; I pretty much agreed with him. I had a lot of different careers there, teaching, administration, and in about 1985 at the suggestion of one of the executives, I founded a credit union. I served as the chairman of the board, that's incidentally an unpaid job in Illinois, as chairman of the board for 15 years. When I retired from the university, I retired from that also, although it wasn't necessary. We had about 4000 members when I retired and it's still going strong. Lev Kalmens 9:19 I understand that your wife was very instrumental in the establishment of the Lincolnwood library. Tell me a little bit about that time; I believe that was in the mid to late 70s, and kind of how it all came to be. Paul Grant 9:33 Well it's sort of funny, she was looking for something to do really. One of her friends asked her if she wanted to join the League of Women Voters, she said "why don't you go to a couple of meetings?" So she did and she came home and she said to me, "you know Lincolnwood is the largest village in the state that doesn't have a library", or words to that effect, and I said no I didn't. At the time Mayor Proesel believed that since we had a small double storefront library up just short of the railroad tracks on Devon up past Central, he felt this was all we needed. A Lincolnwood resident I think could get a card for $20 a year and he didn't see the need for anything else. So my wife and about six others decided to see if they could form a library, and they did! They got some consultative help, and eventually went down before the county board and the county board swore them all in as the [inaudibile] members I guess, of a library board. Then they had a referendum in the village which the village did not support, because Mayor Proesel didn't want it. But the referendum was almost 70% favorable; this is a highly educated village. I guess I was surprised it wasn't 80%. After that they swore themselves in, they named themselves, and the board elected Madeline as President. They then needed to find a library and there was a Pier One store all by itself, at the corners of Lincoln, Pratt and Crawford that was not renewing its license. It was almost ideal from the standpoint of the library because it was just across the street from the school. Of course a library really is very important with the school system. It would have been nice not having to cross a busy street, but that was the only negative. So with their new powers, they condemned the property. The Pier One had decided not to renew its lease; I believe the building was actually owned by Jewel. We moved in in '56 there was a small Jewel store where the library is now. It went out of business and Pier One took over, so Pier One was not going to renew its license and so they went through the condemnation process. By this time they had a skillful library attorney, they were guided throughout by highly skilled people. Being now a government agency even though it had not gotten the tax bill up, much less collected any money, it was now an official government agency and had the right to levy taxes. Virtually every bank in the country I think at least in the Chicago area, called up happy to loan money. So they had money through loans even though they had not that got any from taxation yet. After the referendum they had the right to levy taxes and they did so. That night, I think it was in February, I can't even remember the year. But at 12:30 one night, we had snowed terribly all day. It was heavy, wet snow. In fact, we couldn't get the car out of the driveway to go to the grocery store that day and dragged a sled all the way to the Treasure Island that used to be in Lincolnwood village. We live in that general area and 12:30 at night as we are about to go to bed, the phone rings. With five kids you're always nervous when the phone rings. The man identified himself, "this is chief of police Lester Flowers and I want to speak to Mrs. Grant", so I gave it to her and I listened because this was something really unexpected. I listened as he told her the building had collapsed. It was now an attractive nuisance at law and that she better get some guards over there to keep kids and others from getting into it. She [Madeline Grant] called the library director LaDonna Kienitz. At that time, and I'll come back to this in a moment, but at that time there was a demonstration library and LaDonna and she called detective agencies. We had Chicago phonebooks and called detective agencies for about 45 minutes and given the circumstances, no one would come out under any circumstances. You couldn't get to Lincolnwood! The Ls weren't running, the buses weren't running, no cars could get through, it was really one of the two most terrible nights I think I've seen in this village. I finally, I think it was me because I wasn't busy, I thought of the answer! I said to her, "Mad, I think off duty policeman often do this kind of work" and she said "I'll give it a try." The police chief had told us he would sit by his phone until he heard from her. It's now 1:15 I guess, and so she calls Chief Flowers and she said, "Chief there is nobody going to come out tonight like this. But don't off duty policeman sometimes? Well yes, I think they do sometimes Mrs. Grant." I'm paraphrasing obviously, this is it, this is the meeting though. He says, "I will see if I can't find some people to come over and take care of that; and you know, they charge." She said, "of course I know that." He said, "in the meantime, I'll put a police car in for the library to make sure nobody gets in until I can get some people there." He had told us just less than an hour before no police cars were available. But from then on, he was very friendly. We then went through the process of building the library. But before that the state of Illinois had provided what's called, I think it was called, a demonstration library. An actual physical library, which I think was in the building that Harris trust now occupies. It was sort of a double storefront. They provided the books, they provided the rent, all of the expenses, and the village supplied the manpower. The board had hired a woman named LaDonna Kienitz who turned out to be an inspired hire. She worked for the village for about 10 years and went out to Orange County, California where she eventually pretty much ran the county. She had picked up an MBA while she was at Lincolnwood, she picked up a law degree in Orange County and she had a previous library masters. The library then hired architects, cleared the property hired architects and it was insured, luckily. The judge had set the price for the condemned property. What judges normally do, I don't know if you're familiar with this, what they normally do in the case of a condemnation, is they hire some assessors to assess the property's value. Then from the assessments they make a decision, a binding decision on what it will cost the people who are condemning the property. As I remember the library people thought it was a very fair settlement price. So with that they hired architects, they built the library. They are now larger because later on they were able to buy one of the houses abetting the library. So they are now somewhat larger; the library itself has been enlarged a couple of times. Not hugely, but a couple of times. There was one day that the library moved its books from the demonstration library to the new library. On that day I'd imagine 50 to 70 of us, volunteers all, carried the books in our arms, out the door across Lincoln Avenue into the new library. The police chief was kind enough to give us a policeman to help direct traffic. Paul Grant 18:25 So since then, it's been a very positive experience. For about four or five years, they did something that maybe other people may not recall. But we had a library festival each year, in the spring and we would bring in some famous authors; they would speak. It never never really took off in terms of numbers. It was eventually given up because it was costly. But the idea was to get the name in the papers, get the media's attention, which we did and also to make people enjoy it. I'll tell you a little story I just thought of this morning as a matter of fact. I'm a Roman Catholic, but I am probably the only person in Lincolnwood who ever had two Jewish Nobel Prize winners in his house. They were Isaac Bashevis Singer and the famous Nazi hunter... oh what was his name? Lev Kalmens 19:24 I believe it was Elie Wiesel Paul Grant 19:27 Elie Wiesel! We had receptions for them; we had a pretty good sized house. So we had receptions for them, quite an experience. I sat and talked with, Robert Parker who wrote the Spencer books - Lev Kalmens 19:46 Yes Paul Grant 19:47 Mystery stories and "Spenser For Hire" on television. We sat at lunch together at my place because I'm an economist by trade. We sat at lunch discovering the economics of writing books. Not personally, I mean, he didn't tell me what he made or anything. Lev Kalmens 20:03 Right Paul Grant 20:04 But a little bit about what it was like to be an author and how many people could make money being authors, that sort of thing. Very interesting, he also told me that once he wrote a book, or wrote a chapter, and finally a book, he never looked back. He never went back and reread it, never copyread it, or proofread it, it was finished. We had other writers tell us at some of these festivals that they've gone over their own writing probably 100 times, but he didn't. Lev Kalmens 20:40 How did the library being a relatively new organization in the early 80s, manage to attract these big names to come and speak here? Paul Grant 20:52 They didn't, authors are always apparently looking for publicity and their publishers push them to do these things. We did, in cases where they were from out of the area, I think that the library paid their expenses. I'm fairly sure they did, that'd include airfare, hotels, the Purple Hotel was probably where they all stayed at I think, and meals and so on. I don't know anything about how many people rejected it, but I knew we had some very, very famous writers. Lev Kalmens 21:25 Okay, so you mentioned that you have five children - Paul Grant 21:29 Right Lev Kalmens 21:29 Talk to me a little bit about raising them in Lincolnwood and what family life was like for you? Paul Grant 21:39 Well we bought a two flat, just north of Pratt on Christianna, I guess it's Christianna. We had a mother in law and an aunt living above us, so we had built in babysitters. We moved in, I think it was '64 and the girls were not quite a year old I think, and my wife was pregnant with the third child. We had three and thirteen months, four and thirtynine months and they went to the Lincolnwood grade schools, and the girls were identical twins. They're very well known in the village and they worked at various places in or near the village. They were always in the school system and they told us this advance that they would keep them separate, that they didn't want to put twins in the same classroom. They always did but one day when they were in seventh grade, about Thanksgiving time, we got a call just before six o'clock at night. The principal is on the phone and she was upset. She said they had just realized they had "X", "X", [inaudbile] and contrary to their policies, put the two girls in the same classroom; what do we think about that? We said, "well we don't know anything about that, but we don't care really, we'll ask them", and we call them in, and we said, "are you in the same classroom?" They said, "yeah", and we said, "didn't you think you should tell us about it? Why? Do you mind being in the same classroom? No. You want to stay? Okay." So the school had really been concerned with something that really didn't have anything of interest to them. They were just as happy together or apart. We always sort of joked to each other, we thought we had the right names for them. We were never absolutely sure. People who met them, and like kids would invite them to a party when they were in school and the mothers would tell us later, "we had no idea which was which you know? They introduce themselves but from then on we had no idea." So that was a big part of the early thing. My five kids turned out to have no athletic ability at all, although all of them played Little League, but they were pretty bad at it. Lev Kalmens 24:18 Were you yourself athletic when you were growing up? Paul Grant 24:22 No not much, I had the interest but I didn't have the abilities. My father had been a semi-pro baseball player, so I was surprised that one of my younger brothers was a superb basketball player. But too small, only 5'6'', too small to really make the big time. So there was athletic ability in the family it just didn't rest with me. Lev Kalmens 24:45 So how many siblings? You say you were the oldest of six correct? Paul Grant 24:52 I was the oldest of six. Lev Kalmens 24:54 What was your relationship like with your siblings? Paul Grant 24:56 We were pretty close. We didn't have the things to do you have today when you're young, we didn't have television. That came in when we were a little older, most of us a little bit older and so on. So really it and particularly during the colder weather, we were all together with each other. We didn't have a car and so we weren't taking people out to visit their friends and so on in the winter, we were just tied together. So I think we turned out to be a pretty close family. We still are pretty close. There's only four of us still alive but we still are in touch with each other pretty constantly. Lev Kalmens 25:34 Are they spread out all across the country or still kind of in the Chicago area? Paul Grant 25:39 No they're not, and this is sort of an interesting thing. The six of us really stayed together in the Chicago area. Even now the four that are left are in the Chicago area, although one of them travels a bit. My five are, well, four of us are fairly close together. I have a daughter in Skokie, another daughter got a chance to go to the suburbs, they've moved out to Highland Park, and my son just down at the lake front almost directly east of me, and I have one son in Joliet. Lev Kalmens 26:14 So how would you describe your your relationship with your children today? Paul Grant 26:20 We're pretty close. I've had, we are now allowed I mean assisted living here, we're now allowed to have outside visitors. Although you have to be outside with them, three of the four that can make it have been over. The fourth one has just suffered some serious physical disabilities recently and he can't get over. But they pick up food for me and other things that I need dropped off and they're busy, they're busy people, they either work or - Lev Kalmens 26:53 You've lived in Lincolnwood for the majority of your life, in what other ways do you think the village has changed in the last 60 years? Paul Grant 27:01 It's become much more polyglot, if I could use the word, in it's people. About three or four years ago I was reading an article in the newspaper that said that the Lincolnwood schools at that time, the kids spoke 37 different languages at home. I don't think that was true when I moved in by any means. The village, like Skokie, was largely Jewish. It was changing as with Skokie at the time and as was the same with some of the other suburbs, into more mixed groups. So I think that's been one of the big changes. We find, for example, that at least I am told that participation in voting is not as common as it was 60 years ago. I thought it was regarded more 60 years ago as something you just did. But now it's said that many people don't because they're afraid of being put on jury rolls and things like that. I don't know how true that is. Lev Kalmens 28:09 Now, speaking of elections, your wife was also the mayor of lincolnwood from '93 till 2000, correct? Paul Grant 28:20 Right. Lev Kalmens 28:21 So, tell me a little bit about how she got elected? How did all of that happen? Paul Grant 28:27 Well, she had been elected twice, by the village to the library board. The board itself chose its chairman, and they elected her Chairman each time. So she was well known in the village. They had a problem that became very serious in the preceding four years. The mayor at the time, I can't think of his name. He didn't handle controversy well, and one of the board members began to question some of the things he was doing, a woman named Cohen. It began very slowly and without much rancor, then it got very, very, rancorous. The members of the board, the village board chose up sides. One newspaper called them, after a year or so, the "Lincolnwood Loonies". Meetings constantly went over one o'clock in the morning. One time after Mrs. Cohen had had an operation, she was still recuperating in bed at home. They were divided one night, so divided that they called a recess and sent someone to get her out of bed and back to the village hall where she could cast the deciding vote on something. When it got really bad, the mayor and Mrs. Cohen both decided to run for election, he for reelection and she for election, and then a gadfly in the village a pretty well known good speaker, he decided to run to. My wife came to me one night and she said, "Paul, what would you say if I said I thought I'd run for mayor?" I said, "I've been waiting for two months for you to tell me that you're gonna do this." She said, "what do you mean?" I said, "every time you hear the papers come in, the Lincolnwood papers come in, you want to read it first or as soon as you can, and you constantly asked me [inaudbile]". I went to a couple of meetings a matter of fact, and she questioned me I remember I said it was pretty obvious to me. Then I said, "but I'll tell you one thing I don't want you to run unless you're gonna win" and she said "oh don't you worry I'll win." Lev Kalmens 30:56 [Laughter] She was confident. Paul Grant 30:56 Well she was but she was well known as I said because she'd won two elections. She was out there, walking the streets and ringing doorbells and so on for a couple of months. In the four way election she went about... it's a long time since '92, '93, but I think around 47% of the vote, with four people running. The mayor [inaudible] I think about 24, Mrs. Cohen close to that, the fourth man was down around 14 or something. Incidentally, going back to the library at one point, I don't have a copy of it myself, at one point, my wife Madeline Grant and LaDonna Kienitz the library director, wrote an article in the I think, the Illinois State Library Journal, on the trials and tribulations of founding that library. It was an excellent article but as I say, when I moved in here, I lost an awful lot of papers and books and magazines and so on. So I don't have a copy. But- Lev Kalmens 31:06 We could see if we could find that, find that article somewhere in the archives of that publication. Any other final memories? I don't want to keep you much longer. I know you have other commitments, any other final memories about your life or living in Lincolnwood that you would like to share with us? Paul Grant 32:36 Well I don't know, I think I've had a very good life and a very good marriage. The kids aren't in jail. I'm now expecting my third great grandchild, although, given the fact that, the circumstance of life right now I doubt I may ever see at least two of them again. But this is how life goes. You know, I grew up in a world in which people lived maybe to their 60s, there were almost no great grand people, children around. Now people live regularly, and we have we have about 50 people in assisted living here, at least four of them are over number 100 years old. Lev Kalmens 33:20 Wow. Paul Grant 33:20 I'm 89 and I sit at a table with two 90 year olds and a woman who's only 73. But we have quite a few in their 90s and this just didn't exist. Kids didn't have to have their parents a burden on them that long back then. I'm very conscious of this although, I still can get around all right and mentally I think I'm okay. I've had a good life, I had a good career, it was varied enough so that it was never boring. They're good neighbors too, good friends that we made. We got out into the community with Madeline, particularly with me trailing along, got out when the library was going and then when she was Mayor and so on. Then she was very active in both the North Suburban Library Association which she headed and the North Suburban Mayor's Association which she was to be the head of the year she died. So we met a lot of people, a lot of good people, a lot of very nice people. Funny things happen, I remember one time we met the alderman [inaudible] to joining us in Chicago because the aldermen had heard that somebody wanted to put a carwash in on the north side of Devon avenue. The alderman didn't like it, my wife said, "well you don't like it, I don't like it even worse than you don't like it! It's not coming in! It's not going to come in on Devon avenue". Lev Kalmens 35:10 Well, I would like to thank you for for your time and taking the time to talk to me and sharing your your Lincolnwood story with us. 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For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource My Lincolnwood Story- Beverly Friend Subject The topic of the resource “When [Lincolnwood] library came, there was a tremendous satisfaction and happiness. The community really pulled together.” Beverly Friend has lived in Lincolnwood since 1964. She met her husband, James Friend, while they were teaching English at the Navy Pier campus of the University of Illinois. She spent the majority of her career as a journalism teacher at Oakton Community College. She maintains a very active lifestyle, writing theater reviews, and drumming as a percussionist with the North Shore New Horizons band. The views and opinions expressed in interviews do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the Lincolnwood Public Library, including its Board of Trustees and staff. TRANSCRIPT: Lev Kalmens 0:01 My name is Lev Kalmens. I'm an Information Services Librarian at the Lincolnwood Public Library. Today is July 30, 2019. And I'm talking to Beverly Friend for our oral history project, My Lincolnwood Story. Beverly, thank you for being hear. And what is your Lincolnwood story? Beverly Friend 0:20 Well, I'm going to start with the day we found the houses in Lincolnwood. Lev Kalmens 0:24 Okay. Beverly Friend 0:25 I'd just come home from Michael Reese Hospital--we lived at Prairie Shores--with my brand new baby. And my husband had gone to pick up my two-year-old from Milwaukee with grandparents. Okay? And the phone rang and my neighbor Raz Haskel said, "Oh my God, you must come right now. I found two townhouses in Lincolnwood. And they are perfect for us." And I said, "I'm sorry, I can't come. I've got a brand new baby here. And I can't leave the house for a week." And she said, "My husband's a doctor. No matter what goes wrong, he will save you. You must come now." So my husband came back with his mother, and we left his mother and aunt with the baby. And I took my three-year-old and we went to Lincolnwood. And we went to Pratt between Kimball and Trumbull and found the two houses, and we bought them. And we lived there happily for many years afterwards. And that was 1964. Lev Kalmens 1:18 And where did you come from to Lincolnwood? Beverly Friend 1:21 We lived in Prairie Shores. We had apartments there. I was originally from Milwaukee, but I'd been teaching. I was married. My husband and I both taught at the University of Illinois at Navy Pier. We were a department romance. And then we wanted a house, and we wanted to be with the Haskels who were extremely close friends. And we bought them, and it was wonderful. We regarded ourselves as one extended family. She would send the children off to school, and I would catch them when we got back, where we worked our lives. We had looked in Evanston. But in Evanston, the children came home for lunch. And in Lincolnwood they didn't. So we could work and do other things. But it was a wonderful decision, the best decision we ever made. And I stayed in Lincolnwood. I'm at the Barclay now. Lev Kalmens 2:08 So you say that you met your husband teaching? Beverly Friend 2:12 Yes, we were a department romance. We were both at Navy Pier. Lev Kalmens 2:15 So what is your background? What did you-- Beverly Friend 2:19 [overlapping] We both were English teachers and lovers of literature. But Jim did a lot with literature. He ran the--I'm sure you must have a copy of this--the Lincolnwood Library Literary Festival, and that should be in your archives. And he brought Isaac Singer and Malamed and Fred Pole and Elie Weisel and Harry Patrykus and Gwendolyn Brooks and Scott Turow over many years. In fact, when he died, I offered to sponsor future series, and the library board didn't want to under one person's name. It would have been the James Friend Memorial Lectures, and they didn't want to do that. They wanted to spread it wider, so we never went ahead with it. Lev Kalmens 3:02 Yeah, it's interesting because I've been looking to do something along those lines. And I've come across those names that they were here. It's astounding. Beverly Friend 3:14 Yes, yes, we [inaudible] keep the posters. It had been a live show. We had posters of everyone. Jim's idea, which worked very well, was that the library gave an award to each one because if a person is getting an award, they're more likely to come than just to say, "Would you like to give a lecture?" And each person he asked did come. He got the inspiration from Notre Dame University, which had a junior year lecture series. But at Notre Dame, the lecturer stayed for a week. And here, I guess at the beginning, he did several days, but later on, it was just once a week. People didn't want to come Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday to lectures. It worked out separate but very successful. Lev Kalmens 3:56 So, let's go a little, you know, before you move to Lincolnwood. Tell me about your childhood, your parents--where were they from? Beverly Friend 4:07 Oh, gosh. Lev Kalmens 4:07 What did they do? Beverly Friend 4:08 I thought I had to concentrate on Lincolnwood. Lev Kalmens 4:11 No, not necessarily. Beverly Friend 4:12 All right. My father was a physician in Milwaukee. My mother stayed home. I was brought up in South Milwaukee, which I hated. It was a very anti-Semitic community. And I owe my happiness in my life to the telephone company because when I was 14, Ma Bell made it no more long distance between Milwaukee and South Milkwaukee. And my father, who had been afraid to move because he thought his patients wouldn't call him long distance, was willing to move. So I start my happy life from age 14. Lev Kalmens 4:42 What do you remember about growing up in Milwaukee? Beverly Friend 4:45 In Milwaukee? Just going to high school, finding friends, which I hadn't found in South Milwaukee, being more accepted. I was more comfortable. And then I went to Wisconsin. I went without a thought as if it was compulsory. And then I worked. And I had a job juggling pictures of small chickens and lists of where you could buy chicken dinners to be delivered to your house. And I ran the chickens down the left side of the ad and across the bottom and around the side. And then I thought, if I have to spend juggling these chickens for the rest of my life, I will kill myself. So I thought and I decided I'd go back to graduate school. And my parents said, "Yes, but you must do something practical" because with an English degree from Wisconsin, I was unemployable, just unemployable. So I decided. I had wanted to go to undergraduate school at Northwestern. But my mother said I was not as sophisticated as the Chicago girls. And I'm 84 now, and I'm still not as sophisticated as the Chicago girls. But I went to Northwestern. I went twice. I went for my Master's in '58. And my doctorate in '75. And I met Jim. He'd come up. He'd been at the University of Chicago, and he went to University of Illinois, and then University of Connecticut, [inaudible], and then the University of Chicago, and then we met at Navy Pier. Lev Kalmens 6:17 What was your doctorate in? Beverly Friend 6:19 English. English education, really. And at Navy Pier, I was one involved in a very big lawsuit, where they let 19 of us go priority granting tenure. And four of us didn't have doctorates, and the rest did. And when we weren't rehired, and it was a tremendous lawsuit, I swore I'd never be without the top credential again. So I went back to school and then ended up at Oakton for 25 years very happily. Lev Kalmens 6:43 What was it about English that drew in? What was your dream job growing up? Beverly Friend 6:56 Oh, what a question to ask a woman from my age group. I went to college to get a husband. I had no intention of a career. Everybody did. I wouldn't have gone back to a high school reunion if I hadn't gone back married. I mean, even married 10 times it wouldn't have mattered. I'd be married. I just fell into it. I like stories. I liked reading stories and talking about stories and writing stories and writing essays and giving speeches. And I didn't like the real world as much. As a child, that was an escape. And even now. It was a love of reading. But it was for the fun. Lev Kalmens 7:31 Was reading something that your parents encouraged you with? Beverly Friend 7:34 Oh, yes. They read me stories, and yes, my parents were voracious readers. We had an extensive library. Lev Kalmens 7:40 What was the first book that you remember reading? Beverly Friend 7:47 Oh, my. Well, the most impressive was my mother brought me Golden Books from the dime store in Milwaukee, when she'd go downtown. And there were a story of Lincoln and the story of Pocahontas. And I remember there was the $64 question--not thousand--a $64 question on the radio. And they asked, "What was the name of Pocahontas's father?" And my mother didn't know. And my father didn't know. But I knew, and I said, "Powhatan!" And they were so impressed, I thought there must be something to this reading idea. It's a good deal. But I remember, in fact, I just wrote an essay for something called "story worth," which asked what values you're most proud of. And I wrote about having been influenced by Pollyanna and her search for the golden lining and everything. And that was another influential book. But I read everything. My father had a wonderful book called You Had Heredity, by Amram Scheinfeld. And it had pictures. It had diagrams of two ugly parents who could produce a gorgeous child and two gorgeous parents who could produce an ugly child. And I thought it was fascinating. Lev Kalmens 8:57 So you said that you ended up at Oakton Community College? Beverly Friend 9:01 [overlapping] At Oakton as a journalism teacher, and English teacher, and advisor of the student newspaper. In fact, next Saturday, we're having a reunion of some of the people that worked for the newspaper at the Ram Restaurant, so I'm looking forward. Lev Kalmens 9:04 And you're retired, or are you--? Beverly Friend 9:16 Retired for 20 years. Lev Kalmens 9:18 But you still give lectures, and you seem like you're still active. Beverly Friend 9:22 Oh, you have no idea. I give lectures here and in Florida, and I'm a percussionist with the New Horizons band, and I'm a theater critic for Chicago online. And I'm Executive Director of the China Judaic Studies Association--I further the study of Judaism in China. And I do lots of things. Lev Kalmens 9:48 How did you fall into, for instance, being a theatre critic? Beverly Friend 9:54 I really don't know. Oh yes, I do know. I went to see a play by Harry Petrakis, who I liked very much, and I liked the play. And I was advising the student newspaper at Oakton. And I came home, and at four o'clock in the morning, I got up and I wrote about the play. I couldn't sleep, and I liked it so much. It was done by the Story Theater. And I didn't know what to do with the review, so I sent it to a paper that Oakton dealt with. We went to the same printer to have our newspapers printed, and they printed it. So I was very happy. I didn't expect money. And then three or four years later, I did another review in a similar way. But this one I sent to the Learner Papers and several others. And the paper I'd sent the first one to had said, "You could have sent it anywhere. We're not paying and we didn't care who else printed it." But Lerner said, "Is it exclusive to us?" And I said, "No." And they took it anyhow. And then they offered me the job. So I went from Learner to Pioneer, to various around the industry. I got paid, then I didn't get paid, then I got paid in tickets, you know. They said, "Don't quit your day job." And they were right. But now I'm online strictly. And you know what's very interesting? When I'm in Florida, I review for the Chicago online outlets. And I thought they wouldn't want a reviewer from Chicago. But it doesn't matter nowadays. Because my review is linked to the website of the theater. So it doesn't matter where I'm from or where the review initially appears because it's everywhere. And so they're very welcoming in Florida for reviewers. Lev Kalmens 11:32 How long have you been writing theatre reviews? Because I was gonna ask what has been the most memorable production? Beverly Friend 11:40 I'll tell you, I've been doing it less now. But I wouldn't say the most memorable production, but the best productions I have always thought were at the Shakespeare Theatre on Navy Pier. I'm always happy to go see them, to see Steppenwolf. Some of the theaters are just up. Chicago is the theatre capital of the world. New York thinks it is. But we have, what did I think, 85 theaters putting on 200 plays a year. I just came back from London and reviewed three plays for Chicago there. And it was just wonderful. They didn't ask me to, but I did Matilda and I did The Play Where Everything Goes Wrong, and I did Book of Mormon. I went with my daughter, and it was just wonderful to be there and reviewing plays too. Lev Kalmens 12:27 So, let's go back. So, you said you moved to Lincolnwood in ... it was 1964. What was the town like back then? Beverly Friend 12:36 Well, there was no library. Lev Kalmens 12:39 True. Beverly Friend 12:40 And so we used Morton Grove and we used Skokie. And then, I remember when they bought the little grocery store that stands where we are sitting right now. And then, I remember the big snowstorm and the roof fell in on the grocery store. And then we all collected money because we wanted for there to be a library in Lincolnwood. So when this library came, it was a tremendous satisfaction and happiness. The community really pulled together. So that was what I thought was really memorable. But I liked it. I like the the suburbs. I like to walk into the parks with the children. I liked it. Well the school system was big. We were in Prairie Shores, and so it was in the South Side of Chicago. And we had a choice: we could go to a private school, or we could go to the suburbs. And for the same money, we had a home and everything else, where the same money would have been for tuition if we stayed in the city. So, my neighbor Haskell's daughter was six. My oldest was only three. But it was time to move. We moved together. Lev Kalmens 13:43 What were some of the restaurants or stores? Beverly Friend 13:48 The Kenilworth restaurant is now, and then there was [inaudible]. [inaudible] and China was in that spot. And every time I would drive by, I would say, "Someday, I'm going to go into [inaudible] China." And finally one day, I did. At that rate, I would never have known what was there. And the Milk Pail for grocery shopping. And oh my god, and the Dairy Queen for ice cream. And Community Discount World. Trying to think. And of course many stores still exist. And Marshall Field was here, and Sears, which was just gone, is here. There were lots of places that went. It was just a very pleasant community. And oh, what I appreciated the most, and which was wonderful, was what the school district did. The school district ran bridge, and they ran bridge games where you were teamed up. We were all members of the PTA. And we'd play one month at our house, one month in somebody else's house. And that's how you got to know your community with this going back and forth. And then at the end, they would have a big gathering at the school, and they'd give out trophies for the bridge games. And we met the whole community and made friends that were lifetime friends from those bridge games. Lev Kalmens 15:02 So you were active in the PTA? Beverly Friend 15:04 No. My desire and my actuality had no relationship to each other. I did very little with the PTA. I did very little with the religious training. I was never a room mother. I had all these intentions. Nothing happened to any of them. But I did play bridge with them. But I was a working mother, so I was in and out. Lev Kalmens 15:28 What are some of your favorite stories from your work life? Beverly Friend 15:35 Well, I'll tell you a Lincolnwood Library story. Lev Kalmens 15:37 Absolutely. Beverly Friend 15:38 Alright. I had trouble hanging on to a library card. I would get one, and then I would lose it and be very embarrassed. So I was coming for a card. And I said to myself, "I never walk to the library. I'm not going to put the card in my wallet. I'm not going to put it in my purse. I'm going to put the new card in the car, in the rain visor--in the visor over the driver's seat. And therefore, whenever I go to the library, I will know where the card is." So I went in and got the card. And I went back and I went into my car, and I put my hand in to slip it in, and something was there: two more library cards. So three times I had this brilliant, brilliant idea of where to put the card. You see, and I can tell you today I don't know where my card is today either. It didn't work. But I was thinking of writing into "life in these United States" because it was such a great moment when I reached it and found the other cards and thought, I have done this three times now. Lev Kalmens 16:35 But going back to ... from work life, from teaching-- Beverly Friend 16:39 From teaching, I suppose the day that Jim and I got engaged. And my first class, somebody noticed the ring. And by the time my fourth class came, the entire class showed up and congratulated me. So that was a lot of fun. And he courted me with this mother's cookies. Lev Kalmens 16:53 What was the most, or what has been the most fulfilling part about teaching for you? Beverly Friend 16:59 Oh, it's all been fulfilling. I teach now in Florida. And the last class I taught had 134 students, and they're all senior citizens. And they all read what you ask them to read, or for seeing films, they are responsive. At the end of a class, they gave me a standing ovation. I feel like a movie star. That is extremely gratifying. But no. I loved advising a student newspaper. My husband had done that at Chicago State. He was Chairman of the Engligh Department of Chicago State. And towards the end, I was getting tired. And sometimes I would find when I signed a story, that I was the only person in the room who actually read the story. So by the time I retired, I was ready to retire. But I liked it, and I like teaching senior citizens a lot because they are responsive. And they do the work. And you see their joy in doing it. And the younger ones were not as much readers and not as much interested. So it was motivation was more difficult. Lev Kalmens 18:00 What institution, or where do you teach at in Florida? Beverly Friend 18:04 I teach in a place called Windmark Country Club. It's paradise. It's sleepaway camp for senior citizens. There are 8,500 people. And I think there are a 1000-seat theater. I mean, it's big. There are 19 different complexes with pools. And then, there are classes and an enormous number of activities. Enormous. And we go for six months. Lev Kalmens 18:33 So you spend half of the year? Beverly Friend 18:35 Yes. Lev Kalmens 18:36 In Florida? Beverly Friend 18:36 In Florida. For the past 15 years. Lev Kalmens 18:40 And so, throughout your career, your work life, what are some of the biggest lessons that you learned? Beverly Friend 18:47 Well, the biggest thing that happened to us--and this I don't want to forget to tell you--my husband was planning to go on a sabbatical to study Hemingway's reputation 20 years after Hemingway's death. And one of his colleagues had a Fulbright to teach in China. So the man from Nanjing University came, and my husband went out for lunch with them. And I don't know what they said or what they ate, but it must have been a fantastic lunch because when he got home, he invited Jim to come and teach in Nanjing in China. And I came home and Jim told me, and I said, "Well, you got other plans." He said, "Well." I said, "Why don't you go to China the first semester and teach, and then have someone else take over the second year while you go on to Paris and do other things?" which is what he did. And when he was there, he met a professor named Shu Shin, who was teaching a course in Jewish American authors but had never actually met a Jew ever. And Jim was the first. And Jim came out of such a reform background, that at the high holidays on the South Side, they blew a trumpet not a shofer during that religious service. So anyhow, to make a long story short. Shu Shin came and lived with us and taught at Jim's school. And Jim died during that time. And when Shu Shin went back to China, he was very worried. We thought we'd never see him again once he went back to China, he would be gone forever. But when he lived with us, if you said to me, "Come to my house for dinner next week," I would have said to you, "Yes, but we have a Chinese Professor living with us; may we bring him?" So he lived very close with us. So when it came time to go back, he put an article in the Sentinel newspaper, which said, "I've saved a few pennies, but I can use a few dimes," you know. And that he would love to go to Israel. And what turned out was that he was invited by Hebrew Union College to spend three weeks in Israel, and El Al airlines gave him an Air Flight. So when he got back to China, he gave two lectures. One was "my two years in the United States," and he got a nice turnout. And the other one was "my three weeks in Israel," and he got an enormous turnout. Andway, to make a long story short, he has become the leading scholar of Judaic studies in all of China. And this is a cover of Encyclopedia Judaica that he did, and it's been given to scholars and academics and ambassadors who go to Israel. And he's been in Israel and the United States many times. He got an honorary doctorate from Bar Ilan University. So he changed all of our lives. Now, Jim died in 1986. So Jim didn't live to see any of this. He was like a catalyst. They became friends. Jim had written in his diary, that he had a conversation with Shu Shin--the kind of conversation he's always wished he'd had with his own brother and never had, so he's very close. So because of this, I've been in China seven times. I was once honored by the university there. My children have been. My cousin is now working in the China Center at University of Chicago. I mean, everybody's life changed from this man. And in actuality, there were three people who lived with us during these years of Lincolnwood. One was an AFS student from Yugoslavia and a [inaudible]. One was a Chinese student who came after my husband died but had been his student, named Wahlu. And Shu Shin. And each of these made an enormous impact on our lives and on the lives of my children. Lev Kalmens 18:53 Tell me about your family. Is it a close-knit family? Beverly Friend 20:44 [overlapping] Very close. I have two daughters by birth two by extension--the two that came to live with us. And I treat them all the same. And they all live within a 45-minute ride of where I am. I'm very lucky to have the children nearby. And I have one great granddaughter and another great granddaughter on the way. Lev Kalmens 22:35 Wow. Tell me about some family traditions that you have. Beverly Friend 22:41 Alright. Well, the biggest one is Passover. And I always loved it. I just, you know, it's a Jewish Thanksgiving when you get together. And after Jim died, I didn't make it in my house anymore. It's a big chore. I make it in a hotel. I always come back from Florida. And I have up to 50 people or more, sitting in a large square. And my daughter, who went very religious in high school and went to Ida Crown Academy, leads it, and we have this wonderful Seder. I mean, it's not all Jewish people; several are some nuns and people we know from other walks of life. But it's expandable. If you say you'd like to come, I can I can have you because it's infinitely expandable in the ballroom at the Renaissance hotel. And also in terms of highlight experiences, Jim had many authors who were friends and like the ones he had here. Mary Hemingway came to speak at Chicago State University when they dedicated the library at Chicago State to Ernest Hemingway. And Jim wanted me to make dinner for her. And he wanted me to make bouillabaisse, and I am not an elaborate cook. In fact, I had to borrow the bowls from the bakery restaurant. I didn't. But it was during Passover, and you can't have the fish that are in bouillabaisse because it is not kosher particularly not for Passover. And my daughter was going to the Ida Crown Academy and ultra, ultra Orthodox at that point. So it was an experience. I was tempted to put matzah balls in the bouillabaisse. I didn't, but I did serve matzah with it. And Tracy ate in the kitchen so that she wouldn't see us. But it was something that I felt like I could have written up as a wild Seinfeld kind of story, you know, with Mary Hemingway eating bouillabaisse during Passover, that people wouldn't have believed, but it would have been hysterical to write. Lev Kalmens 24:30 Yes, that's something that you could just make up like that. Beverly Friend 24:33 Oh. No, I mean, it was so outrageous. So outrageous. And a matter of fact, Jim had arranged for an actor to do a scene at Chicago State University on the last day of Hemingway's life. A one man show. A man with a beard would be Hemingway. And as I'm sitting there with Elie Wiesel, and with Mary Hemingway, and with my younger daughter, Marla, Marla turned to me and said, "Mommy, isn't Hemingway going to commit suicide? And we're sitting with Mary Hemingway. How are we going to sit next to her and have him commit suicide?" And of course he does. And afterwards, I yelled at my husband, "How could you? How could you have had this play put on with the wife there?" And he said, "No, I asked her before, and she said it was perfectly fine." So I said, "Well, maybe she killed him." And he got so offended, so offended that I said that. But when Marla looked at me and said that. And she was a kid, you know, a youngster, but she knew how could we sit next to this lady and have her husband--. If a stranger committed suicide, would you want to sit through a play, let alone your husband? That was a memorable moment. Lev Kalmens 25:38 What was her reaction? Beverly Friend 25:40 Calm. Calm. Very calm. My husband in his college days, he had written a musical, To For Whom the Bell Tolls. And they had Anne Bancroft singing a demo on it. But Mary Hemingway never gave permission for them to put on the play. But my husband wrote wonderful music. And Tracy now writes liturgy. She has three CDs out of her music, mostly in Hebrew, but changing the melodies of the prayers that you ordinarily hear, which she's very active with. Both of my daughters are very accomplished. Tracy is ... I'm not quite sure what she does, but she travels to London frequently and to New York, and she's a principal with a firm that does mergers and acquisitions, so she's a financial officer with that firm. And Marla is head of the psychiatric residency program at Lutheran General. So they both are very capable women. I wanted my children to grow up to be capable, self-sufficient women. And my extended family is too. They are nurses and teachers, etc. Lev Kalmens 26:48 What are some, you know, projects or things in your life right now that you're most excited about? Beverly Friend 26:54 I got a whole kitchen table that is filled with projects. Well, you were one, that was coming here. And Tracy gave me for my birthday, something called Story Worth. This I hope your readers would be interested in. It was a birthday present. Every Monday morning, I get a note from Story Worth with an idea for an essay. Who would you most like to have dinner with, living or dead? All kinds of provocative things. Who was the most important influence in your life? Every Monday I get a question. And I answer it and send it back. And at the end of the year, we printed it in a book for the family that I myself have written. I wrote an autobiography, self printed. I did my husband's diary. He had 11 handwritten diaries of his time teaching in China. So I did that and had that published for the family. I paint, and I put out some books of my paintings for my children. What else do I do? Oh, my God. Well, I play in the band. Lots and lots of things. Lev Kalmens 27:57 Well, that's actually a great question. Who would you say has had the greatest influence on your life? Beverly Friend 28:05 My father. My father would come home from work. And tell me about the day at the office. And it was like a warrior coming home and telling about the dragons that he slayed. I saved this guy; he came here with 106 temperature. You know? Or, oh my God, I'll never forget when I was just a child: "Beverly, Beverly, come in. Feel this guy's stomach. You feel how hard it is? It's peritonitis." I mean, he shared his world. I wanted to be a doctor. He loved medicine. Every Wednesday, he came from Milwaukee to Chicago to Cook County Hospital to take a class. A devotee of education. He loved medicine and baseball and new cars, about in that order. He was an enthusiast. And he also would tell you how to run your business, whether you wanted to know it or not. But he was a terrific doctor, a terrific diagnostician. I didn't respect my mother. I came to respect her when I was older. But I thought her life was wasted. She could have done much more, but women didn't. She would have liked to work in his office. She was very good at math. He said he couldn't; it was an embarrassment. How could a doctor have his wife work in the office? So he didn't do it. So she was not happy. And whatever he did, he did with gusto and with positive attitude. So I thought he was by far and away the most important influence in my life. I still think he was wonderful. Lev Kalmens 29:37 You mentioned that you wanted to go into medicine. Beverly Friend 29:38 Yes, absolutely. He discouraged it. And I wasn't good at math, and I wasn't as good at science, and I was very good at English. Again, he wanted me to be married. He didn't think it was a life for a woman. And my daughter on the other hand, Marla,became a doctor because she said grandpa knew all the answers, and when she grew up, she wanted to know all the answers. And then she became a psychiatrist, and she was afraid to tell him. She thought he didn't think a psychiatrist was a real doctor. But he did. He was very proud of her. They shared a lot. Lev Kalmens 30:10 What has been a regret in your life? Beverly Friend 30:15 Okay. That I didn't plan it out. When I got my job at Oakton--and jobs were hard to get--I had gotten the job and I was talking to a dean, named Dean Krukke. And he said, "Well, what are your goals?" And I said, "Well, I just got this job. I fulfilled my goal." I said, "What are your goals?" He said, "Oh, well, I'm a dean here at Oakton. And then I plan to be a vice president at a school a little larger. And ultimately, to be a college president." And he was. He went zoom, zoom, zoom zoom. And it never crossed my mind. My regrets are the things I couldn't think. Another one was I was first chair of the high school drum section. I went to the University of Wisconsin. I stood in line to sign up for the band. And the director said, with a voice like the voice of God, "No girls in the marching band." And my career was over. And it never crossed my mind that I could have said, "That's not fair. I'll sue you." But I mean, the thoughts I couldn't think. I regret the thoughts I was not able to think, so I couldn't act on them. As a feminist, that's my biggest regret. That I didn't go further or even think I could have gone further. Lev Kalmens 30:16 To what extent do you think life has to be planned out? You mentioned that you didn't plan it out. Beverly Friend 30:20 I think that I just drifted. And I think many women drifted. I didn't have a goal. I wouldn't have wanted to say at age five, I want to be this and never veer from that course. But the men planned. When he said, "I'm going to do this for five years ..." It never occurred to me that I could make a plan. I was so happy I had the job, I did the student newspaper. My husband had large dreams and got smaller portion of them. I had smaller dreams and got more of them. But they were small. I write, but I don't aim for major markets. I sold the "life in these United States" to the Reader's Digest 36 years after I sent it to them, they bought it. But every 10 years, I would send them the story again. And finally they bought it. Should I tell you the story? Lev Kalmens 32:26 Of course. Beverly Friend 32:27 This was so hilarious. When my I came home from the hospital with baby Marla, I was sitting in the living room, and she was nursing. And Tracy was three and walked into the room and looked at me feeding the baby with wide eyes. And I saw that she didn't understand it. So I went into like a five-paragraph explanation. This is how mothers feed their babies. This is like kittens and puppies and on and on. And she said and staring at me, "She's drinking milk in the living room?!" And that was the shock of the story. It wasn't the nursing, it was she wasn't allowed to drink milk in the living room, and the baby was drinking milk in the living room. And I thought it was a wonderful story. And when I was teaching, I would say it to my classes, you want to try to send a story. So the Reader's Digest they pay $100. And so every five or six years, I would send it. And one year, I was in China at the time, I got a thing saying they bought it: "Was it a true story?" I said, "Yes, it's a true story." And they printed it. And when I tell my class I sold it, "Don't give up your day job. You make $100 with 36 years after it happened. Lev Kalmens 33:35 So looking back on everything that you've done in your life now, would you say that you are happy with the decisions you've made? Beverly Friend 33:46 I've been very blessed. I have wonderful children. My husband died very young, at 55, and I was 53. And since then, I've had two significant relationships. One with a man that I dated in my single days. In fact, the joke is, I promised my mother I wouldn't marry him when I was 20, and I promised my mother I wouldn't marry him when I was 65. But he was a good playmate. And then he died of Alzheimer complications. And now for 15 years, I've been with somebody else who's very nurturing and kind. So I've had three really wonderful companions, who were right for me at the different times in my life. I didn't need them. I could manage. I said at one point, a husband should be dessert; he shouldn't be the whole meal. And you know, I've been very blessed with health, with travel, with enough money to potentially do what I want to do. Very blessed. Very grateful. Lev Kalmens 34:38 Is there anything else that you would like to add? Beverly Friend 34:42 Who knows, I have this whole piece of paper. I think I've covered everything. Lev Kalmens 34:45 Whether it's about your life in Lincolnwood-- Beverly Friend 34:47 Well with the school board, when Jim ran the first time, he didn't get in. And Marla was there. And she cried and cried and cried because he didn't make it. And I had explained to her he still has a job. We still have a home. And then he did make it, and she was very, very pleased. Lev Kalmens 35:02 Yeah, you did wear the button that says "put a Friend on the school board." Beverly Friend 35:06 Yes. He was on the school board from 1980. He lived a schizohrenic moment. He was president of the school board when the school teachers were thinking of striking, so he was in administration. And then at Chicago State, he was a faculty, and he was on the part that wanted to strike. So he was on "let's strike" and "you can't strike" at the same moment in his life. So that was very, very chaotic. Jim was very happy. We put on his grave the thing he'd always said: "don't mourn my death; celebrating my life." He led a very good life. He died way too young and didn't see a lot, but it was a good life. And every year, and I just came from this. Every year in the summer, we have a family picnic at Rosedale Cemetery. We bring in chicken, and everybody brings in food, and we sit on blankets, and we talk about him. And my parents are buried there now tooThat's a good note to end on. Lev Kalmens 35:57 That's a wonderful note. Well, I want to thank you for coming down to-- Beverly Friend 36:00 Did we do 40 minutes? Did we do more? Lev Kalmens 36:01 Well, we're close. I want to thank you for coming down to the library and sharing your lincolnwood story with us. 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For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource My Lincolnwood Story- Beth Keno Subject The topic of the resource “They bought the [library] building and a day or two later there was a big snow storm [of 1979] and the roof caved in.“ Beth Keno was only a year old when her parents moved to Lincolnwood from Chicago. In this interview she talks about growing up in Lincolnwood as well as the early days of the Lincolnwood Library. Beth’s mother, Madeleine Grant, was a driving force in establishing the Lincolnwood Library and served as its first board president. Madeleine Grant also served as Lincolnwood mayor from 1993-2000. This interview was recording using Zoom. The views and opinions expressed in interviews do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the Lincolnwood Public Library, including its Board of Trustees and staff. TRANSCRIPT: Lev Kalmens 0:00 My name is Lev Kalmens. I'm an Information Services Librarian at the Lincolnwood Public Library, today's August 17 2020. And today, I'm interviewing Beth Keno for my Lincolnwood story, our oral history project. Beth, thank you for joining me, and what is your Lincolnwood story? Beth Keno 0:19 My gosh, I don't know if I have a single story. I guess I'll start with I lived there since I was about a year old. I think from '63 to probably '86, I think it was about, so I was there for quite a while, over 20 some years. Going back to my earliest memories, that early snow storm back in the, I guess the late 60s, and I found pictures, which I'm going to send to you, and just you're so little and you remember the mounds of snow. But you also realized that everybody there shoveled their own driveway, as you know they didn't have snow plows or trucks with plows on back then. So when you look at the pictures, you really appreciate the amount of snow and the effort it took to clear the driveways and the streets and all that. After I left my mom became mayor so that was pretty exciting, and watching her start her public career there with the Library; which she started the demonstration library with a number of other people and got that passed and built a library after the building roof collapsed a few days after they closed. So that was that was pretty exciting. We went to the Lincolnwood schools, we were across the street for many years on Harding, and as I got older I found it harder and harder to make it to class on time, even though we just had to cross Pratt. So it was a lot of fun. I remember going to some of the teachers, and going through the three different buildings, and all the great people that we met and friends we made. So I guess that's it. My earliest childhood memories of the school was I was an identical twin and so people like to talk to us and we were told as little kids, and I'm reminded sometimes as I run into people even today, they remember that we said we weren't allowed to talk to strangers. So anybody that would talk to us, we would say "we're not allowed to talk to strangers", even though they were other kids in our age or going to school. So it's kind of fun. We moved from Harding and then we went over towards McCormick and Pratt for the last probably 10 years and down from the Milk Pail which I just saw a feed on, on the Facebook group. So reminiscing about the Milk Pail, lots of fond memories, the Jewel there at the corner which is the library now, and being able to buy your chocolate bars with your allowance for that week and then turning into Pier One. Pier One then provided all the holiday gifts for our parents for years and our siblings. So those are some of my instant- and there's the food, then there's the bagels and Biasetti's, gosh that was like a throwback trying to remember what that one was. I worked at McDade for a couple of years. So a lot of fond memories of that and working and meeting lots of different people and ordering out and partying and having a having a good time. Lev Kalmens 3:57 Well, let's kind of start at the beginning with your parents. Were they originally, did they already live in Lincolnwood? I mean, they were living here when you were born. But where did they come from to Lincolnwood? Beth Keno 4:12 So they didn't live in Lincolnwood when my sister and I were born, they moved there a year, they were from Chicago, outside Chicago, so they moved when we were about a year old. My father's still there, my mother died, 20 years ago now in office when she was the mayor and my dad is still there. He's over at the Lincolnwood Place, just went to Lincolnwood Place about a year ago. But prior to that he was still active in the community, he was on the zoning board and some other committees so they've been active forever. Lev Kalmens 4:51 Do you know why they decided to move to Lincolnwood specifically? Beth Keno 4:54 I don't know specifically why Lincolnwood, I know the church Queen of All Saints was important, so we're not far from the church. We're raised Catholic so we went to church on Sundays. I honestly never asked them, it seemed like a great place to live so I thought it was a good choice. Lev Kalmens 5:17 They have lived in Chicago their whole lives prior to moving here, right? Beth Keno 5:21 Yes, my dad grew up in Oak Park, my mother lived in Chicago. Lev Kalmens 5:28 What did they do? Obviously before your mother became mayor, was she always involved in communities? Beth Keno 5:37 She was never political, she was a teacher before she had the five of us and after she had the five of us, she went back and worked at some point after my youngest brother got old enough to go to school. She worked at the religious ed center at Queens and she would do a lot of volunteering. We always called them "meetings", so she always had meetings all the time. So she did lots of volunteering, my dad worked for Loyola University down on Lake Shore and he also taught one night a week, he taught labor relations. So that's what they did. My mom's kind of activism, I don't know where it came from, she volunteered lots of times. I don't know how she got roped into starting the library, but I know it was a passion of a number of people there in Lincolnwood, and she ended up kind of taking charge of it. She became the president of the library board, Lincolnwood Library Board board after they-- Lev Kalmens 6:44 Right Beth Keno 6:45 After they were successful in the referendum. Then somebody, and my dad'll be a good person to ask, they like convinced her to run for mayor. But she had a long career before that. She was on the library board for many years, then she became the president of the North Suburban Library system. So she was all active and she won, I think there was a couple of winners, of Northshore Volunteer of the Year. Then she was convinced to run for Mayor, surprised all of us, but she had a little stint in real estate there in between all of the activism and all the volunteering. She knows, I don't know if you know, but they put an award in my mom's name, a Volunteer of the Year award, and [inaudbile] she was an avid volunteer and all of that, and you can do a lot just by volunteering. Lev Kalmens 7:45 What are your memories of growing up in Lincolnwood? So you said you went through all the Lincolnwood schools, what are your memories? Who were your childhood friends? What did you guys do? Beth Keno 7:53 Gosh well we had a lot of friends, we did like I mentioned, we literally lived right across the street from the schools. I remember playing girls softball, it was the 16 inch softball, and being Girl Scouts. I remember all that; we would go to the park district in the summer for camp and we'd ride our bikes there. I remember one of my favorite days was watermelon day, because we got watermelon and we had a lot of fun. Then eventually they put the pool in which wasn't there when we first started but a few years into it they added the pool, which was awesome, right? So you'd go swimming and hang out at the pool by the time we were preteens, we were having a lot of fun at the pool. So we had lots of friends, people live right by us, and people that didn't and we were pretty active with everything. Trick or treating oh my gosh, we'd walk for miles trick or treating, we'd spend the whole day going out because, it was safe and was a lot of fun. I just remember all those times when the snow- making forts, but the end of our street, I don't know what was there, I think it was the back of the bank and they always pile the snow there so I remember us making forts there and having kind of big snowball fights. My mother had a bell, so that's how she got us all inside to eat. My dad or my mom would ring the bell and then we knew to come in because we played outside all the time. We just didn't play inside, we didn't watch a lot of TV, we were running around the neighborhood playing over at the park. They had a great camp program there at Proesel Park so a lot of people went to camp there. I remember batons, I can still twirl a baton and I did win one year, won the baton award. I remember that they always had a big at the end of the camp, they always had a big fair or something where you could win gold fish and win all sorts of prizes and that was a lot of fun. A lot of people went and it was put on by the park district and the camp counselors and if you went to camp there, they always helped you win. I remember that, it was a lot of fun. Lev Kalmens 10:37 So what were some of your favorite restaurants or maybe some of your favorite places to order out from? Beth Keno 10:44 We just drove down Touhy Avenue a couple weeks ago and I was so disappointed. I don't know why it left but 31 flavors, I still remember the single column was 25 cents. You know it was like a big treat, we'd get so many different flavors. So that was one of my favorite places. Then when we moved over to the McCormick and Pratt area, a Dairy Queen, the Dairy Queen on Devon and St. Louis. I know there was a question out there on the Facebook page about that but it was St. Louis because we went there every other day or something to eat ice cream and because it was walking distance from our house so it was really easy to do it. It's kind of funny because we were trying to remember the name and it's Biasetti's, Biasetti's Pizza and the Italian food. I remember specifically when I worked at McDade because we always ordered out dinner and that was some of our favorites. New York Bagel, it's so cool that they're still there. That was and still is by far the best bagels. Before it was right there in the corner, what's the place right now that's on the corner of Lincoln? Lettuce Entertain your restaurant? Lev Kalmens 12:01 It's L Woods now. Beth Keno 12:03 L Woods yeah, so it was Bones before that. That I remember and then it was something else before that, I'm not very good at remembering all the old names, but something was always at that corner. Someplace that we all loved going and having dinner there. Then you had your Bunny Hutch and your miniature golf that was right there right behind or right next to Bunny Hutch so had your lunch, and your golf and there used to be a sub sandwich place that was really good. I think that was up on Cicero, I think it was Cicero and Devon somewhere over there was a sub and I can't remember the sub place; I'm terrible at names. Those are some of the best memories I- then there was the one that you threw the peanut shells on the floor, Ground Round. I remember Ground Round is there on Lincoln Avenue, on Devon and kind of Lincoln I think it was it was right over there. That place was you walked in, you're crunching on stuff and it had the free popcorn. So you started with the free popcorn. You had the peanuts and you threw them around and a lot of good times at Ground Round. Lev Kalmens 13:19 Going kind of back to family life, so you said you mentioned you have there's a total of five of you? So you have four siblings? What were some of the family traditions? Or maybe vacations you took together? Not specific to Lincolnwood, but just kind of more so in general. Beth Keno 13:40 So I had an identical twin sister, we were the oldest and we have three younger brothers. So we would always kind of go either to Michigan or to Wisconsin. Wisconsin Dells was a big one for vacations because there were five of us, my youngest brother was, I think five or six years younger, so it took him a while to be able to play at our level. But you know, we had a we had a, you know, small little baseball team, so we would, you know, go over to school, you know, because they had the front lawn and you know, practice our softball skills. I still remember that because, you know, there was that my, my dad and all of us, you know, six of us then going out and and getting a little baseball game going. And playing and going you know, going to the pool was something we all loved doing that and the concession stand was always a favorite at the pool. And in doing those things, you know, we we all like I said we were always outside. So we were on our bikes all the time. We actually when we went to camp, we rode our bikes unless it was raining. So so we rode all the way from you know, cross the street Pratt and Harding all the way over to Proesel, for many years. Lev Kalmens 14:56 What are some things that you remember about going to school in Lincolnwood Beth Keno 15:00 I still remember I think it was called Mr. Pollster was the science teacher every year and I don't I don't know if they still do this or not. But, um, you had, it was a science project where you had to take an egg that was not cooked. And you had to create--and I think there are dimensions like you couldn't be any bigger than certain dimensions--and you had to secure this egg so it wouldn't crack when it was thrown off the roof. So the project, what you know, with every year is a date and you had to build your thing and wrap your egg. And then Mr. Pollster would go up to the roof, and he would, you know, throw everybody's project down onto the ground. And then, based on whether or not your egg broke, it's kind of your grade. But it was I know, there was supposedly some science, I don't remember that part of it, I just remember how much fun that was, you know, to come up with some way to help, you know, to create a contraption. So once thrown off the roof of Lincoln Hall, it didn't, it didn't crack. And I still remember and I don't remember what I wrapped it in. But I did not break mine did not break. So I did that new thing I remember, I don't know why I just remember this the other day was, I don't know if it was it was first science class. Again, I don't know what grade it was, it was probably in Lincoln Hall again, where you had to go collect leaves from different trees. And then there were the bonus trees. And you know, you got extra points if you get leaves from these trees, and you had to press the leaves. And it was quite the project. And, you know, again, got graded on how well you pressed the leaves and which leaves you've got and how complete you made your project. So I I still remember those, those big projects, and they were they were a lot of fun. Another one I remember and this was early, this must have been like second grade first or second grade, I remember you had to write a story about your mother. And you had to go through magazines and pick out a picture. And I didn't know it at the time. I didn't, didn't figure it out for a long time. But somehow I managed to pick a picture of Marilyn Monroe. And I don't know if people see my mom, but my mom's not even blonde. And so, so I hopefully she was flattered. Um, you know, because my mom saved that stuff for a long time. And I remember going, "oh, this is Marilyn Monroe" when you had to go pick a picture of your mother, but she was that beautiful to me. Um, so those are some of my, you know, kind of school things that I remember growing up anyway. Lev Kalmens 17:42 Did you remember what you wanted to be? Beth Keno 17:45 I wanted to be a lot of things. I mean, I still remember we did a project on architecture. And we had so I for a while I wanted to be an architect. You know, you know, when you're young, everything is kind of interesting. I knew I didn't want to be a doctor, because I really wasn't into science. I hated dissecting, I still remember the dissected the, frogs. That was really disgusting. And so I don't know, you know, I ended up getting a degree in psychology and moving into, you know, doing consulting work. And I've had a couple of businesses, so I don't really know if there was anything, really my early childhood education that kind of, you know, moved me in that direction. I'm sure my mom's influence of liking to take charge of things helped. helped move me in a direction that was about taking charge of things. Lev Kalmens 18:37 So tell me a little bit about your family now? Beth Keno 18:40 I have one daughter, we grew. She grew up in Highland Park. And she's now she's now back in Chicago. She was in New York. She she she got her Master's in Public Health at the University of Michigan, went to undergrad at University of Michigan and then went out to New York and got started in her career and came back almost two years ago. So she's down in Chicago, and now she's, you know, working from home because everybody's working from home. So she's, uh, she's, she's pretty engaged and really likes doing, you know, in what she does and has a real passion for public health. So it's exciting to see her-- Lev Kalmens 19:19 Have you passed on any of your own childhood traditions onto her? Beth Keno 19:24 Well, that's a good question. I mean, we for years we did we always had our we had certain holidays, you know, and then then, when my mother passed, those holidays had to get shifted over especially Christmas. And so so we still have or I don't know what we'll do this year, but we still had the whole Christmas and for years, we did the Easter egg hunt. And that was, you know, until the kids got too old and now we've got some yeah, maybe not quite. Yeah, they're probably old enough. Some some I have some great nephews now so that we can, you know, go back to that tradition, once we, you know, get back to our old normal. Lev Kalmens 20:08 What do you remember about your mother's involvement in getting the Library off the ground? Beth Keno 20:13 Yeah. So I remember, because we were child labor for the books, we stacked the books and lots of donated books, and we helped the editor in yeah, I remember, you know, I guess my dad will be a good one, because in fact, I was talking about a few months ago, and we kind of reminisced about the fact that when they bought that building, and I think they, you know, they one point they wanted to put a McDonald's there, and my mother was, you know, my mother and a number of other parents were "That is not going to happen on our watch." And, you know, Rita Morton, Rick Kadota, I'm trying to remember I was looking at some of the pictures, I'm trying to remember all their names, um, you know, they were super active, there was a kind of a team of them. And they, they bought the building. And then, just a day or two later, they had that big snowstorm and something. Was at [19]76? I mean, and the roof caved in. My mother didn't really you know had no experience. I mean, what what do you do when a roof caves in? And I don't know, my mom called was a middle of the night because the police call her and tell her the roof caved in. And she didn't know what to do. And they I don't know, who she was talking to, and, you know, someone at the police station, and they said, "Well, you know, there's off duty officers that are, you know, looking for work, they'll help protect the building." And so that and, you know, then they had to demolish, I think they demolished it and rebuilt it. And I just still remember us stacking books, there's a lot of books, and Ladonna was the first library and I don't remember how that you know, how that vetting or how they found her. But she was, you know, you know, became a family friend. And I think a good friend of my mom's and was, you know, we knew her for many years, it was a lot of fun, and we'd go there, and we'd study but I just remember working a lot. I just remember the books, we had to float. We had to carry books all the time, so that people were donating all the time. Lev Kalmens 22:22 She put you to work. Beth Keno 22:23 Oh yeah, oh yeah, you got five kids got to do something with them. One of the things I was remembering as I was looking through some of the pictures, which I think I might just drop off for you, um, was that I don't know, if they still do Lincolnwood Library used to host authors. And they used to have, you know, this presentation, and then they would come back to our house. Now, I was, we were young. I mean, we're, you know, I know. I was trying to figure out why maybe 10-12. So those authors weren't necessarily you know, people that I remember, even though I found I found a picture of something so sweet Scott Turow is one of them. So pretty cool to look at that. But I still remember we met. As name first name, Jim Edgar, this was before he was, you know, he was invited because they would invite I don't know, when he wasn't the governor at the time. But I remember, you know, he's in the house and his secret service, or whoever his protection was sitting in the car, we felt bad for them, because they were sitting in the car. So we, we brought them, you know, drinks and some food so that they wouldn't go hungry. And I still remember that. And I just kind of stuck out when I was thinking about and going through the pictures of the library. Library stuff that we have. Lev Kalmens 23:42 She became mayor in was it in the early 90s? Beth Keno 23:46 Yeah, she would have been mayor [19]90, I think would have been had been [19]93. Yeah. Because she had she had won her first term. And then she won her second term, and then she was going to run again. But, you know, her cancer kind of took her, took her out. And yeah, I think we were all--I was surprised. I mean, you know, at that point, I had a young daughter and I had moved to Highland Park and was working. So I was, you know, not as I don't think I knew as much you know what she was doing. You know, and so I was surprised I remember the campaign office that was over there at gosh I think it was where the the second time Kinny's was so Kinny's used to be over where Binny's is now and then I think it moved down kind of where the Fannie Mae is. There's a strip center and then they had her campaign office over there. Both times and you know, helping her a little bit. You know, with that and certainly being there and counting, you know, helping out doing the counts from all the different areas and you know, remembering you know, like, days. So those were always a lot of fun. And I think we would go over a number and I don't know, if we ended up at Monastero's, I know, monasteries was a place we would end up my dad used to run musician, Musicians Association election in Chicago every few years, and we were put to work there as well, because you had to actually count the balance. And then we would always end up at Monastero's. I know technically, that's not Lincolnwood. But it's right across the street. You know, afterwards to to have some dinner and celebrate our era are counting a lot of counting. Bella counting. Lev Kalmens 25:44 So you're saying that your family was kind of surprised that she was, that she was elected? Beth Keno 25:49 I think I know, she was elected my sister probably was, then I'm sure my dad wasn't because he was, you know, with her every day. But, um, I think when they asked her they suggested she run I think she was, you know, she she might have been a little surprised. I mean, she didn't had never, you know, run for anything before. Volunteerd. But, you know, this was, you know, an effort. I mean, should, you know, been the Library board president and the North Shore Suburban Library. So she, you know, been in that end of, you know, dealing with, you know, small into politics, I guess. In knowing and meeting a lot of people. I do remember, when she was mayor, you know, [Bill] Clinton came here, he came over to Myron and Phil's, and, but they didn't know ahead of time, because, you know, you know, they don't like publish a schedule, and she got this call from I don't know, the police or something, you know, come on over and, you know, meet meet Bill Clinton, you know, President Clinton at the time. And, you know, she, you know, that was a lot of fun. For a long time I think that picture had been up there. And then in the restaurant for a very long time. It was funny, because Myron and Phil's eventually, I don't know whether they're related or not. But it turns out, my sister used to ride down to Loyola, with the owner. And he wasn't the owner at the time, but they ended up taking it over was, you know, two people, two friends, she met and they ended up, they ended up taking for Myron and Phil's. And then we were a little surprised to see they were the owners and my sister remember them? You know, everybody always thinks that I'm her. So they'll always say "Maura!" and I'm like, "No, [I'm] Beth." So it's, you know, sometimes, you know, fun and sometimes going okay, but I don't know you, but cool. Lev Kalmens 27:49 What is something in your life that you are most proud of? Beth Keno 27:52 Oh obviously, you know, my daughter, having my daughter and having her, you know, find success and happiness in her life and being a pretty good parent, I think if she came out as good as she did, oh, pretty proud of that. Lev Kalmens 28:05 [laughs] Any the other memories or anything else that you'd like to share? Beth Keno 28:10 No, I as I said, I was a great you know, I just, you know, I can't remember. And I'm not I don't really focused on a lot of negative things. But I just remember, you know, really enjoying growing up in Lincolnwood. And in all the kids that I went to school with, I don't you know, I don't have any negative memories at all, you know, I only have fun memories and being a Girl Scout was okay, but no, it was fun. Because you're with you know, your other friends. And as I mentioned, the camp was, you know, camp was a lot of fun. And don't know I just remember and our neighbors and everybody was nice back then! I just it was it was friendly, and it was safe, and you didn't worry about your kids going outside. And you know it was fun, you know, growing up and learning to ride your bike outside and then riding everywhere you know, and getting your allowance and going over to first it would be Jewel for your candy bar and then it would be Pier One for you know, they had like sticky candies or something. It was, it was a good time. 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Marc worked here from 1978-1982 (or so), up to 60 hours a week Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource My Lincolnwood Story Description An account of the resource My Lincolnwood Story was an oral history project which aimed to explore the past and present of Lincolnwood by documenting stories of its residents. The main goal of this project was to record, preserve, and share audio interviews with the Lincolnwood community in order to connect residents with the history of their neighbors. This project presented Lincolnwood residents with an opportunity to share their story, and for all patrons – a chance to learn about the diverse community of Lincolnwood. Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource My Lincolnwood Story- Marc Zissman Subject The topic of the resource “I think I got interested in math and science [because of] the teachers. For me it started in first grade with Mrs. [Margaret] Johnson. She gave us these timed math tests.” Marc’s parents moved to Lincolnwood from Rogers Park when he was 3 years old. He recalls growing up in Lincolnwood, working at Fannie’s Deli, playing baseball and family traditions. After graduating from Niles West High School in 1981, he moved to Boston to study computer science at MIT and credits his love for math and science to the to the wonderful teachers he had in Lincolnwood schools. Click <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZwsnRE3Z2s" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">here</a> to view the film clip mentioned in the interview of Marc and his sister, Marla, playing at the Sinclair gas station dinosaur at the intersection of Pratt and Lincoln, May 8, 1967. This interview was recording using Zoom. The views and opinions expressed in interviews do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the Lincolnwood Public Library, including its Board of Trustees and staff. TRANSCRIPT: Lev Kalmens 0:00 My name is Lev Kalmens. I'm an Information Services Librarian at the Lincolnwood Public Library. Today is August 5 2020, and today I'm interviewing Mark Zissman for My Lincolnwood Story, our oral history project. Mark, thank you for joining me, and what is your Lincolnwood Story? Mark Zissman 0:17 I grew up in Lincolnwood. My parents moved and they lived in East Rogers Park. They got married in 1962. I was born in 1963. In 1966, when my mother was pregnant with my sister, they moved to Lincolnwood. They moved to a two flat apartment building at the corner of Pratt and Harding. There are nine such buildings right there, right across the street from the schools. We came to Lincolnwood in mid 1966. I lived there; I went to the Lincolnwood public schools, and went to Niles West. I graduated from Niles West and went to college in Boston. I've lived in the Boston area ever since. That's where I got married. That's where my wife and I raised our own children. That's where I've been. I guess my time in Lincolnwood was only about 16 years, but it was the 16 years of my childhood. Lev Kalmens 1:16 What do you remember about Lincolnwood growing up? Mark Zissman 1:20 It was a really great place for me to grow up. My first memory is when my sister was born, which was in January of 1967. What I remember a lot about that - women spent more time in the hospital then, maybe a week or so in the hospital - my mom was delayed coming back with my sister because of the big snowstorm in January of 1967, which was one of the largest snowstorms Chicago has ever had. It was on January 26. My mother spent another week in the hospital that she wouldn't have otherwise spent. My father and I were on our own. I don't remember a ton of details, but my father was from the old school of fathers who really couldn't...husbands who couldn't cook. I was three and a half years old. I remember going out looking for restaurants, walking to restaurants that were open at the corner of Lincoln and Crawford, and up and down Lincoln Avenue near our house. There was nothing open. We lived in this two family apartment building. It's been explained to me that the landlord of the building, the Josephs family, Mrs. Joseph, took pity on us and fed us a couple of meals until we were able to get around and until my mom came home. It was a lot of snow. I think that you have some video clips, some Super 8 movies, that my father took showing the cars and the school busses that were stuck in the snow that we could see from outside our apartment building. Lev Kalmens 2:58 Yeah, and in those clips, you can almost see where the library building is: the site of the current library building. Mark Zissman 3:10 That's right. I remember before the library was there was a Pier One. Before it was a Pier One, it was a Jewel grocery store. That wasn't the only place that my mother shopped, but that was one of the places. I'm not sure if we walked over there usually or she drove over there, but I remember being in that store. I remember the gas station across the street, and the dinosaur. The green dinosaur; there was more than one that was part of the Sinclair station. That was a good place to grow up because Pratt and Crawford is really the exact center, more or less, of Lincolnwood. Being so close to the schools - to Todd Hall, to Rutledge Hallm to Lincoln Hall - was very convenient. We spent a lot of time, not just at the schools, but playing at the various fields and playgrounds that were there. There were a lot of neighborhood boys and girls my age, and there was a lot of time playing together, either on the street, on Harding and East Prairie, or across the street at school. Lev Kalmens 4:09 Something that I noticed in that clip of you and your sister playing on the big dinosaur across the street here is how much busier this area seems because there was a grocery store. There were way more cars, and it seemed like there was more of a hustle and bustle than than there is now. Mark Zissman 4:26 Yeah, I guess you would know better the way it is now than I would, although I have been to the library a few times. It seemed busy to me, being a little boy and looking out the window from the second floor, out the big picture window, and watching the cars go by on Pratt and and Crawford. Seeing the distance was interesting. My dad would take public transportation get to work. He was an attorney. He worked downtown at a big Chicago bank, and he would always take public transportation. Around dinnertime, my mom would take my sister and me down - we'd walk to the end the of Harding to Harding and Lincoln Avenue, and the bus. I don't know if he sometimes he took the bus all the way downtown. Sometimes he took the bus to the subway, but we'd always wait for him to get off the bus coming home. Lincoln Avenue - the cars going by - it was interesting that we would sit there and wait for him for 10 minutes. We would sit on this curb, a little bit higher than a curb; that's on what is a cash register store. It was a cash register store, then called Schmaus. I think it still is now. Except now, when I go by there and I see the ledge that we sat on, it looks a lot smaller than I remember. But of course, it's exactly the same concrete ledge in their parking lot. That was one of the things that had been there since the beginning. There was been a restaurant across the street; many restaurants at Harding and Lincoln on the other side of the street. Lou Malnati's, I remember when they came. I remember Gabby Hartnett. We would go there to go bowling. There were other shops associated with that. I think that's been gone for a while. There was a lot of interesting stuff going on on Lincoln Avenue. That's how people got to Lincolnwood right before the expressway came in. Lev Kalmens 6:18 You mentioned your father was an attorney. Take me back a little bit about his family, your mother's family; how did they end up in Chicago, if they're from Chicago originally, or immigrated from Eastern Europe? Mark Zissman 6:30 Right. My father on his side, he was the first person born in the United States. His parents and grandparents were born in Eastern Europe, in Poland. They came at the turn of the previous century, a 1910 timeframe. They came directly to Chicago because there was a little bit of other family here already. It was natural for them to come. My father's parents were second cousins, so they knew each other, anyway. They came and they lived on the north side of Chicago; they lived on Lincoln Avenue, but much further south where Wrigley Field is today, Lincoln and Southport, that general area. My grandfather had a on that site a used furniture store, and a variety of stores, and also started gradually to accumulate a little bit of real estate around the time of the Depression. Then, they moved further north. My father went to college; he was the first person in our family to go to college. He went to grad school; he became an attorney, went to law school in Boston. They moved gradually further north into West Rogers Park, West Ridge, I guess you would say. When my parents got married being in East Rogers Park was a natural thing. On my mother's side, they were a South Side family. Their family had been here a little bit longer, a couple of generations. They came from Germany and from other Eastern European areas. My mother's father and his whole family was in the paint business, and what's called the paint sundries business. These are all the things like paint brushes and other things you need different from paint. They would sell that stuff to hardware stores, and then hardware stores would sell it to people. They ran that businesses on the South Side. My mom grew up in what's called South Shore, which is a South Side community. It's pretty far south, pretty close to Indiana, actually. My parents met because my mother's aunt knew the neighbors to my father's mother. There was some opportunities for them to connect by chance, and that's what happened. It was a Southside family and Northside family. It was also Jewish. The Southside family that was more German Jewish was what's called Reform Judaism, and they helped found a Reform synagogue down there, that's still there. It's right across from where President Obama lives on the South Side. My father's family was a little bit more traditional. It was in a sense of mixed marriage between a Reform family and a more traditional family. That was a little bit difficult at the time, but interesting. Subsequently, my sister and I both are much more traditional [inaudible]. That's the side that won. But we're mindful of this Reform movement, and of the impact on our mother's side that they had in that community at that time on the South Side. Lev Kalmens 9:56 Talk to me a bit about the various family traditions you had growing up. Mark Zissman 10:01 My sister and I were for a long time, for 10 years, the only grandchildren on both sides of the family; the only grandson and the only granddaughter. As my wife says that leads to certain sense of entitlement as a child because we were the centers of attention. My mother would have barbecues in the backyard for Memorial Day and July 4; we would do cookouts and so on. There were a lot of Jewish holidays, Passover and the Jewish High Holidays that come in the fall, and Hanukkah that comes into winter, where everybody would come over, and we would eat together. My mother would make these great meals, or we might be at one of my grandmother's house instead sometimes. Outdoor picnics were also great. My great grandparents would come over: my great grandparents, my grandmother of my father's mother's mother, and both of her parents. I can remember that very well, for a long time. We would see them a lot. They lived also in West Rogers Park; we would go to their house, they would go come to our house. It was a big deal. It was just really nice to get everybody together. We got everybody together all the time. It was interesting that both sides of the family, my perspective was, that both sides of the family got along very well. There was a lot of respect, because to me, they were family; but they hadn't known each other all that long when I was little and yet, they got along very well. There was great respect between them. I remember my grandparents worked really hard. My mother's father would come over and sit in the backyard, have a hot dog, and he would fall asleep on Sunday because he was working so hard during the week in a way that I couldn't possibly understand. My father's father, the same thing was true. My father's father had grown up in Poland in a in a house; it didn't even have a floor. It had a dirt floor. To go from that to having your son, my father, go to law school and become a lawyer, and my mother to get a master's degree and become a teacher is a really big step. That's kind of the American dream. It is the American dream. It wasn't obvious to me what was happening or what had happened, what they had achieved, all of them. But it's obvious. It's clear to me now, and it's very impressive. Lev Kalmens 12:37 You mentioned your father was a lawyer, and your mother was a teacher. Do you know where she taught? Mark Zissman 12:42 She taught in lots of places. What I remember the most is that she taught in the north part of Chicago; there was a place called Lawrence Hall, which was a school for boys. I don't know if it was a high school exactly; it was a place where boys could come who were in trouble. It was at Lawrence and Kedzi, in that general area. She worked there. She had previously been a nursery school teacher also; I remember she did that for a while. After my sister and I were old enough where we could be home alone, that's when she went back to get her master's degree. On her side of the family she and her brother were the first ones to graduate college. She taught until I remember going to college. [Inaudible] Lev Kalmens 13:33 Talk to me a little bit about going to the schools here in Lincolnwood, with Todd Hall and all the way going up to Niles West. Mark Zissman 13:39 I remember I went to nursery school at the JCC, the Jewish Community Center, which is at Touhy and McCormick near Kedzie. At the time that I went it was actually pretty new. There were a lot of people from Lincolnwood; a lot of kids from Lincolnwood went there. We had a carpool. Different moms would drive on different days, take the kids back and forth. I went there for a couple years, and then started at Todd Hall with all the other kids in the neighborhood. I remember a big bus that took us from Harding and Pratt to Todd Hall, which would have been faster to walk. But that's what they did at that time. I remember all of my teachers there and I have been in touch with, for example, Mrs. Johnson. Mrs. Margaret Johnson. She was a phenomenal first grade teacher. She taught both my sister and me, and that true of many families. My mom and Mrs. Johnson were in touch until just a few years ago when Mrs. Johnson passed away. I remember Mrs. Johnson had a son named Mark. Maybe she looked at me kindly. She was a wonderful person to teach you how to read and to teach you math. She was just an outstanding teacher and I think it was recognized in the school system. But I had lots of outstanding teachers like that. I had [inaudible] teacher called Mr. Niccolo, but she's now Poppy Woodard. She's a teacher now down in Alabama. She taught me third, fourth and fifth grade. In fourth grade and fifth grade, the reason we stayed together was in fourth grade and fifth grade they had something called [inaudible]. I don't remember exactly what that stood for, but they were pods where they taught third, fourth and fifth graders together. They knocked down some walls. It was pod A, pod B, pod C. Miss Niccolo and Mrs. [inaudible] did pod C and I was in that for fourth and fifth grade. It was a multi grade classroom, which was pretty cool. It was very individualized learning. I'm sure it was very experimental at the time. I think they got rid of it. I don't think it lasted very long. It was it was there while I was there. That was pretty interesting. That was a great experience. Ms. Niccolo, I'm still in touch with her. I've actually been down in Alabama and Montgomery where she lives. I've gone out to dinner with her and with her daughter down there. She's finishing up a long career in teaching. Then, that was a great place to be. In Lincoln Hall, I became a sort of a math science person. Although all the teachers were really good, I especially remember Mr. Rubin and Mr. Pollster, Dr. Rogers - Monica Rogers the music teacher - they're just outstanding. When I eventually got into college, I remember Mr. Pollster used to have these different extra credit projects like computing 2 to the 420th power or computing 100 factorial. Back in those days, you had to do it by hand. I never completed either of those questions, but people did. He would grade you or whatever. I finally got to college with access to computers. I printed out both 2 to the 420th power and 100 factorial. I sent them in to Mr. Pollster; it was four years late. I sent them in and asked I know it's four years late, but we please accept this, such as it was. Those were really great science teachers. Mr. Willison is an English teacher, really great English teacher. We had great teachers at Niles West when I was there, 1977 to 1981. It was large already. Then they closed Niles East. They had to split the Niles East kids and sent half to West and roughly half to North. By the time I graduated as a senior, there might have been 700 kids in our graduating class. Almost 3000 kids in the school. I was thinking especially on the science and math teachers - Mr. Hutton or Mr. Martin - and Mrs. Graham, the English teacher I had as a senior, were just outstanding. When I went to college, I was very well prepared. In some cases we were using, at least the first year, the same book that we had used the last year of high school. It was cool to have to have done that it; it made it easier. Lev Kalmens 18:01 How did you get interested in math and science in the first place, do you think? Mark Zissman 18:05 I think I got interested in math and science because...it wasn't because my family did that. Because my dad was a lawyer, my mom was a teacher, there was no engineering; no science in my family background. I think it's the teachers that do that. It started in first grade with Mrs. Johnson. She gave us these timed math tests. It was interesting. She gave us a lot of different kinds of work we can do that I found kind of interesting. For me, that lasted all the way all the way into high school. It was always interesting, Like Mr. Priven doing these leaf identification things. He would make us take notes, this was in seventh grade. Anybody who had him remembers this, you had to go in and take notes on what he was telling you in seventh grade. About three, four times a year, you would turn those notes in, and he would grade your notes. He's grading you on how well you were paying attention to what he said, and he knew what he told you each day. And then he would turn it back to you: "September 10, you must have been asleep. I don't like this. I don't like this. " That's pretty valuable. It's separate from what subject it is; how to take notes is a pretty valuable skill to have. Mr. Pulser, it sounds crazy, but he would have Guinness Book of World Records contests in class where he would show up and say, "Today, we're talking about part of the Guinness Book; the top the tallest men and the heaviest and the shortest and this and that." Then he would ask us questions about that. You would say, "Well, how important is it to know the facts that are in the Guinness Book of Records? It's not very important, probably." But how important is it to be able to read something and, in some cases, retain the facts so that you have the recall of them later. That is pretty important. Later in high school, in history we would have history teachers that would say, "I don't really care about the facts; I want you to understand the progression of history," which is also important. They're both important. I found that the teachers that I had were pretty clever and pretty creative in how they were able to make sure that we were interested in what we were doing. Lev Kalmens 20:29 So you went to college? You said you've been in Boston since college? Was that somewhere you've always wanted to go? How did you end up in Boston? Mark Zissman 20:38 I'm not really sure. We visited a few places and the place where I went is a very good engineering university. I guess that was it. They accepted me and I actually still work there. I've never left the Boston area. I work at the university where I went as a freshman although I focus on research, not on teaching. This is where I met my wife. It turned out it was hard to do the kind of work that I do anywhere else. There weren't many places I could do it. We liked it there; it's different. Boston is different. It's older. The community we live in, not that it's that old, was settled in the early 1700s. My wife is a teacher, too. She's done a history of this area, so we understand the history very well. Although our house isn't that old, it's only from the 50s, there are houses here from the 1700s that people still live in. The community has changed. It's not the same as it was, but we kind of like it. It's nice; not too different from Lincolnwood in some ways, Lev Kalmens 21:47 Do you still have a connection...do you still have family that lives here in Lincolnwod, in the Chicagoland area? Mark Zissman 21:52 In the Chicago area, sure. I have a lot of friends that espeically now we do a lot of Zooming. My family is very involved in the LIncolnwood Jewish congregation. I've been in touch with Rabbi Learfield there. I visit when I'm in town, which hasn't been recently, of course. We did our first ever reunion of our Hebrew school graduating class; it was the 44th year since we graduated. We did it by Zoom. It was going to be in person, but we couldn't do it in person. It was going to be the spring. So we did it by Zoom. It's good to keep in touch with all those folks. I worked for four or five years at a deli on to Touhy called Fanny's. I've been in touch a little bit. That was a defining four years for me in high school. I learned a lot at Fanny's; I learned at least as much at Fanny's for what I would need for the rest of my life, as I did in high school, honestly. That was really great. I'm in touch with folks from there as well. I have close friends that lived in Lincolnwood; a couple still do. One of my friends, Neil, lives just a few blocks from where he grew up. His kids went through all the same schools. His wife teaches at Todd Hall in what what he thinks of as Mr. Coochies' class, the kindergarten class from 40 years ago, 50 years ago. I'm in touch with a lot of those folks. Not everybody but a lot of us. Lev Kalmens 23:16 Have you had a chance to bring your own children to Lincolnwood? Mark Zissman 23:20 Oh, yeah. My kids know very well. They've both been to the synagogue many times, they've both met Rabbi Learfield. They've led some of the services there. I don't think they've ever been inside the schools, but they know the schools. We pass the high school on the Edens Expressway all the time. Our older son, who's a himself a civil engineer, knows quite a bit about how the north side of Chicago was developed. He went to Northwestern so he spent four years in the area. He knows quite a bit about the history of Evanston, the history of the whole north side in Chicago, how it was developed, how and why they put the expressway where they put it; all the things like that. In some sense, he knows probably more than I do actually about that. Lev Kalmens 24:05 You told me you had somewhat of a fascination or like an obsession with local history. You mentioned...was it Fanny's, the place? What are some of the other businesses that you recall from growing up? Mark Zissman 24:22 I recall lots of them. Places like the [inaudible], like Gabby Hartman. Fanny's for me was a big thing. The Pier One, the Jewel, and the library itself. [When] I grew up there wasn't a library. There wasn't a fire department. There wasn't even what we call the big park before it was renamed Prosel Park. There wasn't a swimming pool at first. These are all things that were important, and somebody had to do that. It turned out that I grew up right on Harding right across the street from Mrs. Madeline Grant who ultimately became the mayor. When I knew her, and of course I knew her kids, she was one of the movers behind the library in the first place. The library wasn't even where is now; it was in the wedge between Pratt and Lincoln Avenue just a little bit to the West. It was in some other building that had been a bank or something before it moved. I don't even think the library existed as it exists now before I went to college. Everybody would go to the Skokie library; the kids would go to the Skokie library to do homework or the Northwestern library. Lev Kalmens 25:29 I believe there was a referendum to approve a library in Lincolnwood in in the very late 70s. I think the library, as an independent building, opened in the early 80s. Mark Zissman 25:44 I was already gone. The restaurants - the Ground Round that started as a Howard Johnson's then became a Ground Round - this is at Lincoln Avenue and Crawford. That is now one of the Grossinger car agencies. There was always a Cadillac agency at the corner of Pratt and Crawford, which I think now is also Grossinger affiliated with them. The stores on Touhey, I know all the stores on Touhy between Crawford and East Prairie on both sides of the street. The Baskin Robbins ice cream store. There was Galens Pharmacy; there were a lot of gas stations. There was another deli; they're a different deli, Manny's, etc. The kids would get around on bicycles for the most part and go to all these places. I think there's still the Long John Silver's; [it] was there for a long time. It may be gone. There was a different place called [inaudible] before that. Kids have nothing to do; they just ride their bicycles around stopping at something. Lev Kalmens 26:33 And that's what I've heard from talking to other people. Baseball was always a big thing. I don't know if you played baseball here in the summers. Mark Zissman 27:01 Yeah. I did Little League in the spring for a couple years, and then at Niles West I wrestled. What I remember doing more was on Saturday morning all the way through middle school, even in elementary school, the schools provided Saturday morning athletics for at least for the boys, maybe for the girls, too. It was football, flag football, in the fall, and then basketball in the winter, inside. I remember doing that every week for years. Some of the same teachers - Mr. Willison the gym teacher, Mr. [inaudible], Mr. Mauer, and others - that would coach that. It was very informal. You didn't really sign up for it; you just showed up, and there would be some amount of practicing. There would be pickup games that they would referee or whatever. It would be between nine and 12. We did that all the time, every every week. Not every week, but most weeks, for a lot of years. Mostly the boys that I remember in Lincolnwood, especially the ones in my neighborhood. There were a lot of boys my age, right there on Harding and East Prairie, and then out from there. There was always a lot of kids to play with. There were some famous people, of course. There's the current drummer for Styx. Todd Zuckerman who lived right behind us. You should try to get a history from Todd or from his brother; probably better from his older brother. He has two older brothers. His older brother, Paul, would be a good person for you to talk to. He's in Wisconsin now and, he could tell you about what it was like growing up. Very interesting. Great family, very musical family. Lev Kalmens 28:43 It sounds like the amount of smaller businesses as compared to now where you look at Lincoln Avenue and there's a lot of buildings that the tenants keep on rotating or places have been torn down. You paint a completely different picture of what Lincolnwood is now kind of full of. Mark Zissman 29:05 I guess that's right. It was always a mystery. I think it was a good thing because it kept taxes down. It was all what I call light industry. That was east of Hamlin, and then north of that, and south of Howard. This whole area and the existence of that and the tax base that that created was able to keep the taxes down on the residents who live there. But, for the kids, looking at all those buildings like Bell & Howell and Ditto and Accurate Fasteners - I don't remember all the names of them - Illinois Tool Works. When you interviewed Mrs. Smith, she talked about before all of that happened and what that was like. I didn't know that, but that was there. But to me, it was not interesting. It was confusing. What is all that stuff? What do they actually do at these places? Some of the buildings looked a little scary. It really wasn't useful. But, The Bunny Hutch and the novelty golf and the Dairy Queen, and all the other little places that there were. There was a pet store; there were lots of cool places. I guess I don't know how many of those are there at this point or not. But there was a lot to do. I'm [inaudble] a lot to do on Touhey from top to bottom. That was different because Pratt didn't have the bridge over the channel. Because of that - that was a whole big deal about why they didn't want the bridge - although it was a busy street, it wasn't as busy as those other ones and it was only really residential. I think the park in the summer, that Prosel Park, was really the core. That park, although I only went a couple times, it offered very inexpensive summer camp programs, free or a couple dollars for the whole summer. All the kids would ride their bikes there in the morning. Maybe they'd have to go home and go back. I don't remember now. They were in the pool. Once the pool was there, you could go in the morning and never leave. You could stay all afternoon at the pool, whether you were learning at the pool or whether you were just hanging out. That pool was a wonderful, wonderful thing. We actually don't have that where I live in. I live now in suburban Boston; although it's very similar to Lincolnwood a lot of ways, it's pool is not that nice. It has a pool; it's far away. My kids could never ride their bikes there. It's not centrally located and it wasn't nearly as nice. The pool and the centralized park that had a lot of tennis courts, also, is a cool thing. That's a really good thing to have. I remember on Halloween it would be chaotic at the park. I don't know why, but they would have all the kids come. There'd be hot dogs and hamburgers and a huge bonfire. Then the kids would get into trouble after that. How could you bring all the kids together on Halloween and then expect them to...not terrible trouble. But how could you ...whatever. That's what it was. It was a lot of fun. Lev Kalmens 32:18 It's interesting, you mention...well, now it's Dairy Star, which is a very popular ice cream place. Do you have memories of going to that Dairy Queen? Mark Zissman 32:27 Dairy Queen, I remember. I didn't go there as often as the Baskin Robbins, the 31 Flavors. We went there all the time; I almost worked there instead of Fanny's. I got a job; I got an offer. It was a little bit less money, probably like $2 instead of $2.50; I don't remember exactly. You could tell, even at the time, that my opportunities at Baskin Robbins were going to be limited. The opportunities at the deli were unlimited. It was a good choice to go with the deli. We went there more. There was a Rubens deli that was right down from the Baskin Robbins, which we would go to occasionally. But I think that the where my mom would always buy our milk with a milk pail. My parents would send me in there. I was pretty little, and my dad would say milk was $1.30. Because it's a loss leader; because it was the only thing that we bought. I had to go in there...my mom would tell me get 1% or get 2%, one 2% milk. We wanted in the plastic or whatever it was, and we want to change from the $2. It needed to be right. That's a lot to remember when you're little; it's heavy. I'd have to try to remember what kind of which milk it was; I have to try to make sure that change was right and then bring it back out. We would do that every week. We went there a lot; we didn't find much else there. But the post office...one thing that's exactly the same. The post office. Although the zip code changed, the post office is still where it was. I remember when there used to be there was this really big Kmart-like store called Community. That was across from Kiddieland, which everybody also remembers if they grew up around that time. Kiddieland and Community were there. Kiddieland closed at some point. The Community, I don't know if it's a Home Depot or whatever it is. Lev Kalmens 33:32 It is. Mark Zissman 34:16 And, of course, Lincoln Village. All the kids would go to Lincoln Village; it was wonderful. I remember when they built the theater. I remember sneaking with my friends to see the R rated movies; Saturday Night Fever is an example there. It was really nice. It was this big white three story-ish big thing. I think at first it was all just one theater in there, and then eventually they split it up into the multiples. Lincoln Village was great. I bought my first stereo at the audio store. We got all the clothes that we bought. We got a lot of stuff. Lev Kalmens 34:57 What is something that you're most proud of? Mark Zissman 34:59 I'm proud of my wife and what my children, they're 30 years old now, have accomplished. I've accomplished some, but like I said, it was pretty easy. It was pretty easy for me. My accomplishments are not significant, really, compared to my parents and my grandparents. [Inaudible] I'm proud to have children that are contributing members of society, that I'm a contributing member of society at some level. It's all good. It's been a good life so far. I enjoyed my time in Lincolnwood. That said, everything wasn't perfect in Lincolnwood, either. I'm sure others have talked about this, but the level of diversity was very limited. Diversity in Lincolnwood at that time, was if there were Jewish people as well as Christian people. That was diversity. There were very few Asian people. I don't remember any African Americans. Maybe there were a couple. I think that has changed. When I visited the schools...the schools did an open house about 10 years ago. You could go around and get get into Todd Hall, Rutledge Hall and Lincoln Hall if you were an alumnus or anybody could. That was very interesting, talking to the administrators and the teachers who were there about how things had changed, I think was pretty interesting. That is likely a change for the best. It was actually a little bit more diverse at Niles West, a little bit more than Lincolnwood. Even socio-economically it was more diverse there. So that was probably better. I don't think a lot about what I'm most proud of, but I am happy. I do think very fondly about my childhood, as Mrs. Smith said, although she grew up 30 years earlier. I knew her son Ron. Lincolnwood was a great place to grow up, and for her great place to live as an adult. For me, a great place to visit, to come back to occasionally. Lev Kalmens 37:11 I want to thank you for taking the time to speak with me, and share your Lincolnwood Story with us. 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For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource My Lincolnwood Story- Kamran Hussain and Howard Lee Subject The topic of the resource “I think if you lived in [Chicago], or the north side, you might have dealt with a lot more minorites. A lot more differnt races as opposed to Lincolnwood and the northern suburbs.” Kamran Hussain and Howard Lee, friends since the 2nd grade, talk about and reflect on their childhood in Lincolnwood. They discuss the changing ethnic demographic of Lincolnwood and the various changes the village has undergone since the early 1980s. The views and opinions expressed in interviews do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the Lincolnwood Public Library, including its Board of Trustees and staff. TRANSCRIPT: Howard Lee 0:00 Hello, my name is Howard Lee and I'm interviewing my friend for 35 years Kamran Hussain, for My Lincolnwood Story. Kamran Hussain 0:11 So, funny thing about my name, my name is actually pronounced Kamran. And, Howard, you probably already know that because you probably heard my mom or my sister say that. But the funny thing is, it is kind of like a Lincolnwood story, it's just been like an insecurity of mine. Probably when I was in kindergarten, that's what they called me. And I was just probably too young and too insecure to really make any corrections. Can't I just let it be? And so, what's funny is that my son, who's now nine years old, his name is Obeid. And he's totally not insecure. And he goes to a school that kind of reminded me of Lincoln Hall and Todd Hall when I was growing up, and he corrects people left and right, if they pronounce his name. The principal pronounced his name wrong, and he corrected him. I was kind of surprised the principal even knew his name. I don't think our principals ever knew our names. Well, Mr. Zyks knew your name. [laughs] Howard Lee 1:10 Well, the statute of limitations is probably too late. So we'll stick with Kamran. Kamran Hussain 1:14 Yeah, I was insecure about it and now I'm not. Now I just let it go. Now it's like, if I tried to correct it then I knew that I'd get into a long conversation and the teacher would take forever to kind of correct it. And then I'd get into a conversation about correcting it so, my insecurities just let it go. And it is what it is. Howard Lee 1:35 Well, Kamran, how old are you? Kamran Hussain 1:37 I am 42 gonna be 43 in a couple months. Oh no, shoot, in a month. You're gonna be 43, too, right? Howard Lee 1:44 Yeah, you're gonna be 43 in like two weeks. Kamran Hussain 1:47 Yeah, three weeks, yeah. Howard Lee 1:50 And what years did you live in Lincolnwood? Kamran Hussain 1:53 So I was born and raised in Lincolnwood. My mom and my parents and my two sisters moved here in 1975. I was born in '76. So they literally- I don't know if my mom was pregnant when they moved here. But I was born at Illinois Masonic and born in Lincolnwood. Howard Lee 2:14 Okay, and you lived in Lincolnwood until you went off to college, correct? Kamran Hussain 2:19 Yeah, I mean, let's just say I lived in Lincolnwood until I was 25 years old. I'm Indian and Muslim. So I kinda have to stay home until I moved on with my life. So I went to college. I went away for college for a few years, and then grad school for a couple years and then... once I started working I was back in Lincolnwood. Howard Lee 2:39 Okay, now you have three sisters, correct? Kamran Hussain 2:43 Yes. Howard Lee 2:43 And you have two older sisters and one younger sister, correct? Kamran Hussain 2:47 Yeah. Two of my older sisters. And then I have a younger sister, four years younger than me. Howard Lee 2:52 So your sisters were not born in Lincolnwood? Kamran Hussain 2:55 No. So my oldest sister was born in India. And she came here, maybe in 1970 when she was like one or two years old. And then my other sister was born in Chicago in '71. But they essentially went to Lincolnwood schools because they- we moved in '75. So my oldest sister was about six or seven. She started second grade. And then my youngest sister started, I think, preschool or kindergarten. At Rutledge Hall. Howard Lee 3:22 Okay. Now you attended Todd Hall, Rutledge Hall, Lincoln Hall, and Niles West, correct? Kamran Hussain 3:26 Yup, I did it all. Howard Lee 3:28 And uh- Kamran Hussain 3:30 And we met in what, second grade? Kamran Hussain 3:31 Second grade, yup. Kamran Hussain 3:32 You moved in second grade, right? Howard Lee 3:33 I moved to Lincolnwood in second grade. Kamran Hussain 3:34 I can probably name all my teachers from preschool to eighth grade. But I'm kind of forgetting my first grade teacher's name. Howard Lee 3:44 Well, we'll get to the school part. Kamran Hussain 3:45 [laughs] Okay. Howard Lee 3:46 So how is it your family ended up in Lincolnwood, specifically Lincolnwood? Kamran Hussain 3:50 Yeah. So my dad came here, I believe in '68. Howard Lee 3:55 To Illinois? Kamran Hussain 3:56 To Chicago. And he had a residency at Illinois Masonic. Howard Lee 4:01 Your dad's a physician? Kamran Hussain 4:02 Yeah. My dad was a surgeon. And then he... So he came here. And my mom didn't come at that time. My mom was still in India. So I assume my sister was born around that time in '68, or whatever. So my dad came here. He kind of got settled and then my mom moved here. So my parents lived on Devon Avenue, close to the hospital and close to the lake, too. And then they lived there for a couple years in a couple of apartments. Couple different apartments. I'm not exactly sure where. And then I think the story goes is that my dad, just you know, we're obviously- the family is getting bigger and he wanted to move. Once he's finished his residency, he they were looking for a house and he drove around Lincolnwood and he actually fell in love with the neighborhood. And Lincolnwood is an awesome city- an awesome suburb- just because it's like the closest suburb to the city. Literally gets to downtown in 10 minutes if no traffic. So they found a house in Lincolnwood. And that's it. Howard Lee 5:09 Now, overall, would you say that you had a positive upbringing in Lincolnwood? Kamran Hussain 5:16 Yeah, I think definitely. When I look back on it, definitely positive. But when I also look back on it and analyze it, probably when I was going through that time, definitely there was a lot of insecurity that was going on when I was growing up. I mean, when I look back on it all seemed fun to me. And I enjoyed my time when I was in school. But I do kind of recall being quite a bit insecure about my place in school. You know, you're Chinese. I'm Indian. We grew up in Lincolnwood when there was hardly any minorities. It was kind of changing, the dynamics were definitely changing in the 80s. And it definitely was changed in the 90s. But we were kind of like the few minorities. Well actually, looking back now at it now our classmates, a lot of them were actually minorities. It's just, I didn't really realize it. Until now, you know. First generation kids. I wouldn't say minorities, but more first generation kids. Their parents were also from a different country. But I just didn't know that. I just assumed they were white. Howard Lee 6:20 So growing up in Lincolnwood in the 80s and the early 90s. You know, just looking back on it, what would you say is the racial makeup of the community? And then a follow up question would be what would you say the racial makeup of the school population was at that time? Kamran Hussain 6:37 I mean, from my understanding, and I wasn't paying attention to it too much. I always knew that I was different because of the darker skin than most people there. From my understanding, Lincolnwood was very Jewish at that time. I just remember every other weekend kids would come back with the T-shirts from going to someone's Bat Mitzvah. And granted, I wasn't invited to many of them. Both 7:06 [laughs] Kamran Hussain 7:08 So when I look back at it, I remember a lot of our friends being Jewish. And so that's what I kind of got out of it. And there was a few minorities sprinkled here and there. And you know, you could tell just whenever it was Christmas time, our neighborhoods weren't all lighted up with Christmas trees. Because there was a lot of Jewish people in Lincolnwood. Howard Lee 7:31 Were Asians relatively commonplace, or were African Americans or Latinos? Kamran Hussain 7:36 African Americans, zero. Latinos? You know, when I look back on it, I realize that there were a couple people that were Latino that I just didn't know that they were Latinos. Asians? You can kind of answer that, probably not? I mean, there were a couple Indians in our grade- me, Himanshu Patel, Manisha Patel, Daruk, and a couple more here and there. Chinese? I mean, I wouldn't say Chinese. Asian, there were a lot more. You and then I can name quite a few more. Howard Lee 8:08 Yeah, I think there were a lot of Koreans in Lincolnwood at one point. Kamran Hussain 8:10 Yeah, so definitely there. There was. Howard Lee 8:15 Well, let me ask you. You kind of alluded to this. That, you know, as a person of color and a racial minority. Did you ever feel like part of the community in Lincolnwood? Or did you feel like an outsider? Kamran Hussain 8:27 I don't know, I mean, I think that when I was living through it, it just kind of- it is what it is. I thought that my role in school was just, you know, being friends with the kids at school. And then, when school was over, I kind of had my own, you know, social and family life. I had a cousin that we'd hang out with, and then people- my dad was very involved in the mosque in the area. So I had friends that were Muslim that were involved that I would hang out with on the weekends. So school had school friends, and I thought, you know, that was my- that was normal for me. I didn't realize that all the kids were doing all this other stuff on the weekends without me. But yeah, I definitely felt it. I mean, you know, I was embarrassed when my mom would come for being the lunch lady. My mom had a nose ring at that time. And you know, I got asked by so many kids, "Oh, why's your mom wearing a nose ring?" And you know, those same kids that made fun of me were like all grungy in the 90s and they all had nose rings in high school.[laughs] So yeah, I mean, those things I could definitely feel. But yeah. Howard Lee 9:43 Well, I mean, so growing up in Lincolnwood in that particular period. You'd mentioned you had friends- Indian friends and Muslim friends as well- in other communities. What was your experience in comparison to theirs when you heard about what their experience was in their respective communities? Kamran Hussain 10:01 Well I think Chicago at that time was still kind of, you know, the minority... there wasn't that many minorities in Chicago. Especially on the north side at that time. Or just anywhere in Chicago, right? So I think we all kind of had similar experiences. I think if you lived in the city or the north side, you might you might have dealt with a lot more minorities, a lot more different races. As opposed to Lincolnwood and the northern suburbs. It was primarily white. And you know the Asian population, whether it be Indian, or from East Asia, they were growing, but we were still kind of considered a minority. Now, when I see- when I walk around Lincolnwood now, or Skokie, or you know any of these suburbs around here, if I see an Asian person I don't even bat, I don't even do a double take. Where I could see 30 years ago, if I saw an Asian I'd be kind of surprised. Howard Lee 10:55 Did that change as you got older? Cuz I feel like Lincolnwood, certainly by the time we were in high school, it was not as much of an issue was it was when we were [inaudible]. Kamran Hussain 11:06 Oh, yeah. Once we hit high school- by the time I think we graduated high school, I mean, dude, there was a lot of minorities. Howard Lee 11:13 Cuz I feel like Niles West at that point was probably 20-30% Asian. Kamran Hussain 11:20 Maybe. You know, my wife teaches at Niles West now. And she could probably tell you that it's probably over 50% minority. Howard Lee 11:28 Oh, interesting. Kamran Hussain 11:30 Yeah. Howard Lee 11:31 Well, so your two older sisters, were not born in the United States- Kamran Hussain 11:37 No my oldest sister was. Howard Lee 11:38 Oh, sorry, your older sister was born in India. And you and your two other sisters were born in the United States. And your sister's older, too. Your oldest sister is quite a bit older. Do you feel like their experience in Lincolnwood was different than your experience? Kamran Hussain 11:56 So me and my sister Ramana, who we're like four or five years apart, I think we had similar experiences. So she was probably going to junior high and high school, early 80s. We were kind of like mid to late 80s. So we kind of had similar experiences. My oldest sister who is about nine, eight years older than me, she definitely had a different experience. So there was even less minorities there. And there was a lot more, I don't know if she necessarily got harassed, or had, you know, physically got made fun of. I think I probably got made fun of here and there, but it just kind of like- Howard Lee 12:34 Well look at you, I mean- [laughs] Kamran Hussain 12:35 [laughs] That's true. But I know that from talking to my oldest sister, her experience of growing up in high school was not necessarily a positive one. I mean, I think when we all look back on it, it's all, you know, that's our childhood. We always had positive experiences, but it wasn't like something that she was so excited about. I know she didn't go to her 10 year reunion because she didn't really feel like going to it. Whereas, opposed to me and my sister Romana, who's four years younger than me, and my younger sister- four year older than me. And my younger sister was four years younger than me. We all had more positive experiences growing up. Howard Lee 13:19 Okay. Well, I mean, you're about to turn 43. So reflecting back, you know, 30 years later. Do you feel that in retrospect your childhood Lincolnwood was a positive one? Kamran Hussain 13:36 Yeah. I mean, I look at all my experiences as positive. Even if when I was going through it it was negative. I mean, you know, I guess everyone can take experiences a little bit differently. So for example, I remember once I posted this on Facebook. And [laughs] you know, it got a good reaction. And you realize that when you get older, all these little stupid things that you think are a big deal back when you were a kid, wasn't a big deal. And everybody was kind of going through these same experiences and insecurities and issues growing up as an adolescent. So for example, there was a store called Zayre. On Lincoln and McCormick- Howard Lee 14:20 By the Lincoln Village Theater. Kamran Hussain 14:22 -it was kind of a cheap store, right? And it was kind of like, maybe like at Kmart. And I [laughs] I remember I'd be embarrassed to go there with my mom. My fourth grade teacher was Mrs. Kistra- Howard Lee 14:37 Oh, yeah. Adia's mom. Kamran Hussain 14:38 -yeah. Everybody that grew up in the 80s and 90s kind of knew who Mrs. Kistra was. She was kind of the cool teacher at that time. Fourth grade. You wanted to get her. Howard Lee 14:48 Yeah. Kamran Hussain 14:48 And her daughter was also our age. Adia. Howard Lee 14:52 Yeah. Kamran Hussain 14:53 And so, I always thought of Adia as, you know, being one of the cool kids. And it was kind of funny, because I went to Zayre with my mom and we were buying some, whatever we were buying. You know, bedsheets or something like that. [laughs] And it was embarrassing, but I saw Adia Kistra's mom shopping at Zayre. And I always thought, you know, losers shopped at Zayre. And people that were poor or whatever shopped at Zayre. Or, you know, people that- that my mom was cheap. But it was kind of interesting. You know, once I saw her at Zayre. I was embarrassed at the time but then looking back at it, I was like, dude. It's nothing to be embarrassed about. It is what it is. If Adia's mom can shop at Zayre so can I. Howard Lee 15:40 Looking back, do you think... I mean, just thinking back on your friends that you grew up with and the friends you hung out with when you were a kid. What would you say the racial breakdown of your childhood friends were? Kamran Hussain 15:55 In school? Howard Lee 15:56 In school, yeah. Kamran Hussain 15:56 So basically, it's like I said, I had two different lives. I had one life that I'd go from eight o'clock to about 3:30. And that was school. And my friends kind of just lasted until there. Other than two, or three of my friends. One was Jason Trolovich, Mark Youngstead and Danny McCluskey. They lived- Mark didn't live near us, but he would always come to Jason's house. Jason lived right behind us. So our backyards connected. So Jason, Mark, Danny. Danny lived around the block on Kilbourn. And we would always hang out. After school we would play baseball in our backyards, we would hang out. It was funny, because we would just kind of hang out in our backyards or whatnot. So that was kind of like the extent to my friendships with kids outside of school. Once I started playing baseball in third or fourth grade, then it kind of expanded a little bit. But once again, it kind of was confined to those timings. On the weekends, I would hang out- Howard Lee 16:59 All those three guys are white, by the way. Kamran Hussain 17:01 Yeah, I mean- Howard Lee 17:02 So, I mean, was race a consideration for you at that point? Kamran Hussain 17:05 No, not really. It's kind of funny. Initially when I talked about my name- so I have a nickname at home it's Kamoo. Short for Kamran or whatever, right? So you know, Jason would come to my house all the time. And Danny would come to my house all the time. And they would hear my mom and dad, "Kamoo, Kamoo" or whatever, right? And they would hear it. And then you know, I don't know if they couldn't pronounce it properly, but they would call me Gamoo. And then from there, they would tell everyone at school. And so everybody kind of knew. Then everyone started calling me, "Gamoo, Gamoo, Gamoo". Howard Lee 17:40 I remember that. Yeah. Kamran Hussain 17:41 And it went on to high school. And the funny thing is, once again, because of my insecurities, I could not just tell them, "Hey, at least pronounce it properly." You know, it's not that hard. But I just let it go. And honestly, I see some guys around now and they still call me that. But yeah, that was mostly because they were my friends. Because of proximity. You know? My mom wasn't socially- my mom didn't socially hang out with any other parents. I mean, nowadays, my kids and my kids' friends and parents, I know them. So they have their little get togethers. But my mom never really socially knew anybody's parents. So I never went to anybody's house. I think yours is the only house I actually went to. So Danny, Jason, and then when Mark would come over, we would all hang out together throughout the summer and stuff like that. After school. Howard Lee 18:36 Okay. Well, then, as you got older and entered high school, and you know, I think when you're young race doesn't really factor into things. As you got older, was that more of a consideration? Or again, it just- race didn't play a role in who your friends were and who you hung out with? Kamran Hussain 18:51 No, I mean, in high school and school, it didn't. I hung out with- there wasn't too many Indians that I wanted to hang out with. Or they were there, you know- Howard Lee 19:03 Well, Himanshu, of course. Kamran Hussain 19:05 -Himanshu, being one. Now, when I hear stories about Niles West and Niles North or Lincoln Hall, there's so many minorities that you can kind of become part of a clique and hang out with, you know, your minority friends. I don't think we were like that when we were growing up? Howard Lee 19:21 I mean, as I look back, I don't think there were, quite honestly, enough minorities to form cliques. Kamran Hussain 19:28 Yeah, there wasn't. And I'm kind of glad that it was like that, because I was just able to get along with everybody. And we all kind of probably tried to be white to some extent, too. We kind of all tried to assimilate. Howard Lee 19:40 Well. So, you'd mentioned that you grew up, your backyard was adjacent to Jason Trolovich's- Kamran Hussain 19:48 Yeah. Howard Lee 19:48 -backyard. You grew up by Proesel Park, you grew up around the block. Kamran Hussain 19:51 Yeah, oh yeah. Howard Lee 19:51 Yeah, two blocks from Proesel Park. From the time you grew up to- and the fact is, your mom actually is still in the house that you grew up in. Kamran Hussain 19:58 Yeah. Howard Lee 19:59 So you have a lot of opportunity to come back to Lincolnwood. Kamran Hussain 20:01 Yeah. Howard Lee 20:03 Has Proesel Park changed a lot from the time you were a kid to now? And then the follow up question would be has the community as a whole changed a lot since you were a kid? Kamran Hussain 20:12 Yeah, the park has not changed in the way it looks. But you know, they've added different basketball courts. The basketball court used to have tennis courts. Where the tennis courts are now this tennis was still there with the basketball courts was on the south side of the tennis courts. And there was a big, just one basketball court. Now they moved the basketball courts to the west side. But you know, they still have the shelter. The outline of the park is essentially the same. The baseball fields are exactly where they are. They kind of added some new equipment and stuff like that. But the cool thing about that park is that it looks similar to what it looked like in the 80s. Howard Lee 20:52 Is it crowded nowadays, or? Kamran Hussain 20:53 No, it's still crowded. I remember when- probably it's not as crowded as it used to be. I think even after when we graduated. Probably, when I was in college, it used to get really crowded. Kids would be playing basketball. They have volleyball courts, now. People playing volleyball, you know, up until 11 o'clock at night. But the cool thing about that park is that it still has a very nostalgic feel to it. Howard Lee 21:17 Okay, how about Lincolnwood as a whole? Do you feel like it's changed a lot? Kamran Hussain 21:20 It's changed quite a bit. I mean, you can see the Purple Hotel is gone now. Howard Lee 21:25 [laughs] Oh, yeah. Kamran Hussain 21:26 McDades. I used to- grew up walking to McDades to buy toys. I'd go with my mom. McDades was where the condos are now on. On Touhy, right across the street from the Purple Hotel. Howard Lee 21:37 Oh, really? Okay. I don't remember that. Kamran Hussain 21:38 Bones used to be an awesome restaurant, still is. L.Woods is still a great restaurant. I personally liked it when it was Bones. But yeah, I mean, there's some different things. I mean, they have a little bridge on Touhy and a few different things here and there. The schools look different. They tore down- they basically made Lincoln Hall and Todd Hall- Rutledge Hall- a lot bigger. But yeah, I mean, you know, every time I come back- granted I come back quite often because I live close to here- it always gives me a nostalgic feeling. Howard Lee 22:13 Do you feel that Lincolnwood is- the changes are for the better for the worse? You feel like Lincolnwood was more quaint back in the day, or? Kamran Hussain 22:21 I mean, I probably think it was better back then just because I was a kid back then. So it gives me good memories. It's funny, all my neighbors were really old when I was growing up. My neighbor next to me, you know, they passed away. But, you know, when we moved in, he told us to call them grandpa and grandma. And that's what we used to call them. And they were awesome. They were our neighbors- when I would miss school and I was scared to ask my parents, they would take me to school. Howard Lee 22:48 Oh. Kamran Hussain 22:49 You know, that kind of stuff doesn't happen anymore. He would take me to school. When they were getting old and they would get sick they'd call us in the middle of the night my dad would go over and check up on them and stuff like that. Howard Lee 23:03 Well, you had alluded to the fact that you live close by. So you live in Wilmette now with your wife and your kids. Kamran Hussain 23:07 Yeah. Howard Lee 23:09 Now your kids are younger. But when you were growing up in Lincolnwood, how did you get to school? How'd you get to Lincoln Hall, Rutledge Hall, [inaudible]? Kamran Hussain 23:17 Bus. So funny story about that is when I started preschool, first day of school, I cried. So my mom had to come on the bus. The next thing I remember about that day at school was- that's probably my earliest memory- the next thing I remember about that day at school, was I just woke up and my mom picked me up. I think I just fell asleep the whole day. Yeah, I took the bus. Howard Lee 23:42 Did you ever bike to school? Did you ever walk to school? Kamran Hussain 23:44 I walked to school when I would miss school. When I'd miss the bus. And that happened quite often. Howard Lee 23:49 Is that something that you would feel- you know, when age appropriate here- you'd feel comfortable letting your kids walk to school? Or take the- Kamran Hussain 23:55 Yeah, we live close to school. I definitely would be open to my kids walking to school. And they're a little bit further away. And there's a couple more busy streets. But yeah. I think my son, he's nine and a half, I think he would be okay with that. Howard Lee 24:08 Okay. So you had mentioned hanging out in the backyard and playing baseball at Proesel Park. So just, if you could describe a typical summer day when you were, you know, 11, 12, 13 years old. Kamran Hussain 24:22 Yeah, so probably in third grade. I started playing baseball. I got into baseball. Baseball was obviously the popular sport at that time in the 80s. And I started playing. And, man, I liked playing baseball. So I started playing summer leagues, too. So that was kind of one thing that helped me kind of assimilate a little bit better, and be friends with a lot of the other kids. And granted, you know, we would play summer leagues, and we'd play in like, travel- well not necessarily travel- but we'd go to different towns and play. And that was a lot of fun. So I got to know a lot of the kids from our school. So that was kind of good because, you know those kids I played from like third grade all the way up until high school. And you know, it was cool, the coach- Jeff Pax's dad, Wally Pax- he would- literally every game we would travel to, whether it be Buffalo Grove or Palatine- he would take us to Barnaby's on Caldwell afterwards and all the parents would feed us pizza. So during the summer day, it would be- you know, my mom, I don't think my parents believe in summer school. But we never went to summer school. I never went to day camp. So I would wake up late, watch the Cubs game on channel 9, and probably, usually, go to baseball afterwards. And play baseball either play one game or two games and then come back home in the evening. And then usually go to my aunt's house on the weekends. My mom's sister lived in Skokie. So we would go there like every other weekend or people'd come over. Howard Lee 25:54 Okay. Kamran Hussain 25:54 Yeah. Howard Lee 25:55 What are some of the stories you remember growing up that really stood out in your mind in Lincolnwood [inaudible]- Kamran Hussain 25:59 Oh, man, I have so many stories. You know, me and Mark Youngstead, and then there was JJ Volchenbaum, who we all grew up with. We connected on Facebook maybe 10 years ago. And then we just had a side chat session where we just kind of mentioned like every single story growing up. But I was just thinking about this as we were getting ready for this. You remember Gaybba- [laughs] Gaybba was a character. He probably was maybe, two, three years older than us. Maybe, maybe not. No one knows him. He's very mysterious. He was- you know now that I look back on it and gave it to someone I kind of admired. You know, he didn't really like school, he was kind of a misfit. Howard Lee 26:41 I think Gaybba was smoking in like, third grade. Kamran Hussain 26:44 Yeah. I think his cousin, Lucca, was driving to school in the eighth grade. [laughs] So Gaybba was hilarious. He'd get off on the same bus stop as me. He lived on the other side of Pratt. And he just hated school, he would get off the bus and he would just run home. Like a 100 meter dash sprint, just run home every single day. Funny thing about Gaybba was, if you remember in Lincoln Hall, we had square dancing or line dancing. Howard Lee 27:13 Yeah. Kamran Hussain 27:13 I hated it. I just didn't want to, I just never wanted to participate. Maybe I just, I didn't want to touch girl's hands or whatever, but it just kind of- I didn't realize why gym had to- we had to do square dancing in gym. Gaybba was also someone that hated square dancing. And he refused. And he once tried to get a teacher's note, like a parent note, to get him to be out of square dancing. And I don't think the teachers bought it. I don't think Mr. Lussier or Mr. Mao bought that excuse. So they made him square dance. So he came to school the next day with rubber gloves. [laughs] Because he didn't want to touch the girls hands. Oh, man. He was a character. I mean, there were a lot of funny things. How 'bout stories about you? Howard Lee 28:02 You know, well, we'll take a step back for a second. Kamran Hussain 28:06 Okay. Howard Lee 28:06 Do you remember any stores that kind of stick out in your mind about-? Kamran Hussain 28:10 Stores? Howard Lee 28:10 Yeah. Kamran Hussain 28:11 Oh, man, eighth grade to when we got into high school, I'd be able to ride my bike places. We'd go to West Coast Video all the time. Howard Lee 28:20 Oh, yeah. Kamran Hussain 28:21 And rent movies. West Coast video was, it's where the... where was it? Howard Lee 28:26 Well the- Kamran Hussain 28:27 It's right- it's where the library is. Howard Lee 28:28 Yeah, it's right down the street from the library where- originally it was Video King. And then Video King went out of business and it became West Coast Video. And then it moved over to where- Kamran Hussain 28:37 Where [inaudible]'s Furniture is. Howard Lee 28:39 I think of it as where the pet store is. But yeah. Kamran Hussain 28:43 Yeah, West Coast Video was a staple of Lincolnwood. And we'd go there to rent movies quite a bit. It was kind of a sleazy place, too. Howard Lee 28:53 I remember the owners. Kamran Hussain 28:55 I'm sure you did. [laughs] Howard Lee 28:57 Now did you and your family ever go out to eat in the neighborhood? Kamran Hussain 29:01 Not in the neighborhood. It's funny cuz we used to- Pizza Hut was the big family outing. And then one of our neighbors once got pizza from Lou Malnati's. Howard Lee 29:13 Oh, yeah. Kamran Hussain 29:13 When I was young. And me and my sisters were all kids then. And we were like, "Dude, what is this pizza with the sauce on top of the cheese?" Like, "What's going on here?" But ever since then, ever since we eat that, we've been getting Lou Malnati's like once a week. But yeah, as a family we honestly never went out that often. I mean, going out had to be a special occasion. Like a really special occasion. Howard Lee 29:38 Did you guys ever go out for Indian food? Or if you went out it was like, pizza? Kamran Hussain 29:42 Nah, not too often. My mom was a stay at home mom. So she basically, very traditional, so she basically cooked everyday. Howard Lee 29:51 Okay. Do you remember where your mom bought groceries? Kamran Hussain 29:54 Yeah. So Devon obviously is where a lot of Indians are. Now it's crazy, but back in the 80s it was still, you know, a couple different stores. Like Patel Brothers, which has become huge. Howard Lee 30:06 Which, on a side note, I didn't know that Susan Patel's parents owned Patel Brothers grocery store. Kamran Hussain 30:11 Yeah. Yeah, that's like a national company. So now, you know where the Toys R Us is in Niles, on Golf and Milwaukee- it used to be a Toys R Us. Howard Lee 30:18 Mm. Kamran Hussain 30:19 Right across the street from Golf Mill Mall. Toys R Us went out of business. But now it's a huge Patel Brothers store. So anyway, there was a lot of stores on Devon that would sell Indian food and stuff that was imported. Now, you don't have to go to Devon to get Indian food, you can go anywhere to get Indian groceries. It's all over the place. Howard Lee 30:41 You know, you had mentioned this before that your mom didn't really have a lot of interaction with other kids' parents. Do you have any sense of what your parents' experience was like growing up in, well, I mean, while you were growing up in Lincolnwood? Kamran Hussain 30:56 I have no idea. My parents were probably more insulated from the outside. From like, school culture that I was part of. My parents had no clue- I think they still have no clue- on how the school system works. They just wanted us to study. They didn't know how to do homework with us. They didn't know how to do anything with us. So they basically expected us to study the way they studied, which was basically independent. But they had their own social circle with the few Indians that lived in the area. And so that was their kind of social circle. Howard Lee 31:31 Okay. Kamran Hussain 31:33 But in terms of social circle with the school community, not really. Howard Lee 31:39 Well you'd mentioned that your dad was big into the mosque, where did you go to mosque? Kamran Hussain 31:45 So there's a mosque on Albany Park. It's called MCC. It's Muslim Community Center. It's on Elston Avenue. Funny story about that is that Jason Trolovich's dad owned a company or worked for a company called Heart Electric. Howard Lee 32:01 Okay. Kamran Hussain 32:01 Which is actually right down the street from the mosque. So that was about four miles away from us. It wasn't too far from our house. So we would go- my dad was heavily involved with that. And we would go there for evening schools and Sunday schools. Howard Lee 32:19 Okay. Then you play'd basketball there as well? Kamran Hussain 32:23 No, so there was- so then in the late 80s and early 90s, that same mosque bought a building in Morton Grove. And that had a gym that we would go play basketball with on Friday nights. Howard Lee 32:33 Okay. Kamran Hussain 32:34 Yeah. Howard Lee 32:34 So, I'd mentioned at the start that you went to Todd Hall, you went to Rutledge Hall, you went to Lincoln Hall, you went to Niles West. Kamran Hussain 32:40 Yeah. Howard Lee 32:40 What were some of the teachers that kind of stand out in your mind? Kamran Hussain 32:43 Oh, man, there was a lot. I mean, I can name all my teachers. Miss Micucci was preschool. Miss Barker, not many people remember her. Miss Wicks, she was awesome. Miss Kistra was an all time favorite. Miss Yokes, fifth grade. Miss Rudnik, sixth grade. Miss Kasper who's now, Dr. Mao, I think? She married Mr. Mao. Mr. Mao was our gym teacher. And Mr- Howard Lee 33:11 That astounds me, by the way. Kamran Hussain 33:13 Well, you know, I think they had a little fling. [laughs] When we were in school. Kamran Hussain 33:18 I remembered that that was [inaudible]. Kamran Hussain 33:19 And then a few years later, we found out her name was Mrs.- my sister was in school there. And she was like, "Yeah, I have Mrs. Mao for social studies." I'm like "Mrs. Mao?" And then I'm like, "Oh, yeah, they got married." And still happily married. Good for them. Howard Lee 33:31 Yeah. Good for them. Kamran Hussain 33:32 Yeah. Mr. Mao, Mr. Lethy, Miss Fugate where our gym teachers. You know, Mr. Zyks was the vice principal. Howard Lee 33:42 We'll get to Zyks. Kamran Hussain 33:43 Okay, we'll get to Zyks in a little bit. Mr. Mao was our gym teacher. I don't know why I just never liked the guy. Not because he was a bad person, but there was just something that rubbed me the wrong way about him. And you know, he's probably a nice guy. But always in gym class, he'd always pick Sashi Mamba to do the demonstration of the drills. Howard Lee 33:47 Oh, yeah. Kamran Hussain 33:51 And it just really pissed me off. Howard Lee 34:01 Well, I mean, overall, did you- would you say that you had a positive experience with the teachers, they were good teachers? Kamran Hussain 34:11 Yeah, I think they were all pretty good teachers. I mean, I think there was some that I didn't like. But I think, from what I remember, Mrs. Wicks and Mrs. Kistra, I had really positive experiences. I think Mr. Lessing- eighth grade- I was getting a little bit more... You know, I was kind of becoming- getting into my own at that time. Miss Kistra- another good story about her was in the middle of the winter, my dad decides to take me to India. For two weeks. So I missed school for two weeks. And I come back and- so my dad gets gifts to give to my teachers- so I come back and I give a purse from India, a very traditional looking purse, to Miss Kistra. And I didn't realize Miss Kistra was kind of a hippie- Howard Lee 35:00 Hm. Kamran Hussain 35:00 -back then. [laughs] And I was so embarrassed to give it to her because I'm like "Oh, this [inaudible] India. It smells, it stinks, it's ugly. All these kids are gonna make fun of it because it's Indian. And she looked at it and like, she was almost in tears crying because she was so happy she got a gift from India. But I was kind of embarrassed to give it to her. Howard Lee 35:20 You didn't- did you ever have any sense of racism on any part of the teachers? Or ever get a sense that you were treated differently by any of the teachers? Kamran Hussain 35:33 Um, no. I mean, I remember back in the day- even like, friends that I remember- I remember even Danny McCluskey once called me Gandhi. And it was just kind of random, you know. We were friends. But like, it was just so easy for them to call me Gandhi or, you know, make fun of me because I'm Indian. And then like, I remember I'd go tell my dad like, "Dude, they're calling me Gandhi". And my dad would be perplexed. He's like, "Yeah, so what? Gandhi was a great guy." I'm like, "Yeah, but-" I don't think he got it. The fact that, you know, calling someone Gandhi in the 80s was kind of a mean- In high school, once again, this goes to my insecurity- it would be me and Daruk played football freshman year. We were on the B-team. Howard Lee 36:16 [Inaudible]'s your cousin. Kamran Hussain 36:17 Yeah. So we were close family friends and stuff like that growing up. So we knew each other. We tried out for football, because that was a cool thing to do when you started freshman year. And, you know, we played football on the B-team. And the coach, he started calling me and- Howard Lee 36:34 Gustason? Kamran Hussain 36:35 No, no, no, his name was Lacom, I think. Coach Lacom. Howard Lee 36:37 Okay. Kamran Hussain 36:38 Gustason was cool. I had no problem- even though he was kind of racist, too. He was cool. He said a couple racist things, too. Howard Lee 36:47 Yeah, I actually- Kamran Hussain 36:47 Jimmy Ong. Howard Lee 36:47 I actually do remember that. Kamran Hussain 36:47 But I did call him out on that and he apologized. He called Jimmy Ong Jim Foo. Just for the hell of it. I mean, there was no reason why he called him. His name was Jimmy Ong, right? That's what you call- his name was Jim Feng Ong, right? Kamran Hussain 36:59 Jim Feng Ong, yeah. Kamran Hussain 37:00 But he just called him Jim Foo for whatever reason. Now when I'm looking back at it I'm like, "That's kind of racist". And I remember I did tell him that. And then he got he kind of got startled by it and he was like, "No, I wasn't trying to be racist". But anyway, freshman year football. We just started freshman year. So high school is something new to us. It's in the summer. And the coach Lecom started calling me and Daruk 7-11. Howard Lee 37:22 Mm. Kamran Hussain 37:23 And, you know, people giggled about it and stuff like that. And you know, and he kept calling us that. And like I said, once again, with our insecurities, we were new to the school, all the other kids were new to us, except the kids that went to Lincoln Hall. And you know, we didn't say anything. And like I said, that's a difference that I'm glad that my son and my kids are taken differently. I mean, if someone calls my kid- just accidentally mispronounces the name- he corrects them. And he did get pissed off about that a couple times when it happened. So I was insecure as a kid and I just let it go, just because I didn't want to start controversy about it. Howard Lee 37:59 Right. Kamran Hussain 38:00 But, you know, calling- you know, in high school, and a high school teacher- coach- calling someone's two kids 7-11. I mean, dude, if I was older I would have done something about it at my time, right? Howard Lee 38:14 Well, let me ask you. You'd mentioned Zyks, before and you know, as I'm sitting here, I'm actually thinking another big story from, regarding school when we were kids, was Mr. Schultz. Mr. Schultz, the art teacher when we were in Rutledge Hall. He- a letter got sent home to all the parents that one of the teachers had been diagnosed as having AIDS. Kamran Hussain 38:35 Yeah. Howard Lee 38:35 And Mr. Schultz disappeared from school shortly before that. And then obviously, the big story when we were in high school was that Mr. Zyks, the Vice Principal of Lincoln Hall, was arrested for child molestation. Kamran Hussain 38:48 Well Mr. Zyks was arrested when we were in junior high. Because it was on the news. Howard Lee 38:53 Yeah, okay. Kamran Hussain 38:54 He left when we were still in junior high, but then he got arrested soon after that. Howard Lee 39:03 Okay. Kamran Hussain 39:04 Probably had something to do with it. Howard Lee 39:05 So what are your memories- Kamran Hussain 39:05 And the reason why he got arrested was I think he went to another school and got busted for the same thing. Howard Lee 39:05 Okay. Well, so what were your memories of Mr. Schultz? When were younger and then Mr. Zyks when we were a little bit older? Kamran Hussain 39:05 Mr. Schultz was actually a really good art teacher. Howard Lee 39:05 Oh, I loved Mr. Schultz. Mr. Schultz was by far my favorite teacher of all time. Kamran Hussain 39:13 But you know, it's funny, because I didn't know what being gay or homosexual was, you know, when I was that young. But I knew that he was a little bit different. I knew that, you know- when I look back at it I'm like, "Oh, it kind of all made sense". Right? But he was awesome. I just remember him being a really good art teacher. Howard Lee 39:31 Yeah, he was good [inaudible]. Kamran Hussain 39:32 And some of the things that I remember learning, I still remember, in our class that he used to do. And he was such a nice guy. When did he pass away? Probably- we were still in junior high or after that. Howard Lee 39:46 Yeah, yeah. Kamran Hussain 39:46 Yeah. So, this is kind of in the 80s when AIDS was a huge thing at that time. But I just remember him being- You know, the funny thing is, that when things happen in the 80s and 90s, you realize it now you're like, "Oh, that might have been a little inappropriate". I remember once- you know those, they had these little art things with little paper that you lick and it would stick. Howard Lee 40:10 Okay. Kamran Hussain 40:10 It was just like little string paper or whatever. Howard Lee 40:14 Okay. Kamran Hussain 40:14 And you'd lick and you stick and you'd make decorations on poster board or whatever. Okay, and for once he licked it and sticked it on a kid's butt [laughs]. But I remember that, it still sticks with me, but it was just kind of funny. Howard Lee 40:25 What are your memories of the whole Zyks incident? Kamran Hussain 40:29 Yeah. So funny thing about Mr. Zyks was- Howard Lee 40:33 Everyone- he was like, the cool principal. Everybody wanted to- Kamran Hussain 40:36 He was Mr. Cool principal. So the two things about Mr. Zyks was that he was always considered the cool principal. I remember, I was at Daruk's house, he lived right by Todd Hall. And it was really weird. It was a Saturday, I was just hanging out at his house. Our family were friends- our families were friends. So I'd hang out his house a lot, sleep over at his house once in a while. One day, someone threw eggs at the door. And that happened. And then, this is a Saturday afternoon, mind you. And then Dar's dad went outside and tried to chase the kid- it was a kid that threw it out, right? It was just probably some kid doing a stupid prank, right? I don't think it was anything racially motivated or whatever, right? Because the kid that did it was Filipino. So anyway, three hours later, Mr. Zyks comes with the kid to the house. And he made the kid apologize to Dar and his family. Which, you know, it happened, whatever, no big deal. But then like when you think about it, like, dude, why is the vice principal coming to a kid's house on a Saturday afternoon with another kid? Right. And anyway, that that happened or whatever. And the funny story is that we used to talk about this even when this was going on. Howard, you had a little incident with Mr. Zyks as well, back in school, you know, for some reason you lived in the Lincolnwood Towers, which is close to Devon. And you used to somehow, you know, this is back when they had newsstands, used to somehow be able to get access and buy playboys. So why don't you tell us about that story? Howard Lee 42:17 We don't have to get into that. But- Kamran Hussain 42:21 Anyway. Well, you'd sell them to other kids in school, right? You'd buy 'em, and then you'd sell them at a higher price to kids and you got busted. And it's kind of funny, but like, nothing happened to you. You didn't get detention, you didn't get after school detention or get in trouble. You just gotta let off the hook, which is kind of interesting. Howard Lee 42:41 Yeah. Well, do you have any remembers of when you know, Mr. Zyks got arrested there was the ensuing trial? I think, at that point, we were probably- when the trial happened I think we were freshmans in high school, I think. Kamran Hussain 42:53 No, I don't have any memories of that. It just kind of- so I didn't know Mr. Zyks that well. I don't think he even knew me. I just knew him, of him, because he's our vice principal. I don't think any of the principals actually even knew who I was. Howard Lee 42:53 Okay. Kamran Hussain 42:53 I didn't have him. I mean, I think in high school, the only person that I know, remember, is when David Chereck got murdered. Kamran Hussain 43:12 Oh, yeah. Kamran Hussain 43:13 And just recently, they convicted his killer. Howard Lee 43:17 Right, right. And you actually run into his mom around, time to time. Kamran Hussain 43:19 Yeah, it was kind of funny, his mom used to be a nurse with my dad. So- Howard Lee 43:24 Oh, wow, I didn't know that. Kamran Hussain 43:25 So it just so happened that I ran into her maybe about 10, 15 years ago, right after my dad passed away. And then we kind of kept in touch ever since. And she would tell me about the stories about what happened and the guys that were with him and how they were treated by the, you know, the detectives and stuff like that. But I'm glad that you know, she, you know- he was adopted. And you know, her husband died recently, a few years ago. Kamran Hussain 43:48 Oh, wow. Kamran Hussain 43:49 So that was their only child. And you know, it's been- and she would be at the court case every time that the person that was convicted- when he got arrested. Howard Lee 44:03 He actually just got convicted. I think he just got convicted a month or two ago. Kamran Hussain 44:06 A few months ago. Yeah, yeah. So that's one thing we keep in touch about, yeah. Howard Lee 44:12 Okay, so my last question would be, you know, mentioned earlier, that you currently live in Wilmette with your wife and your kids. Was that a conscious decision? Or did you ever consider raising your kids in Lincolnwood? And if you did, or didn't, I mean, is that something you feel like would be a positive one? Howard Lee 44:31 Yeah. Yeah, I mean, we were looking around for homes. We wanted to stay obviously near the north side. My mom lives, you know, my mom's a widow now. And so I wanted to be close to my mom. You know, if she ever needs me. But we were looking. We actually were looking at a home that one of our friends used to live in in The Towers. And it was kind of cool because it was listed and I was looking at it and then I really realized it was one of our friends homes. And- Howard Lee 45:03 Which friend? Kamran Hussain 45:03 Do you know Javin and Pravez Siddiqui? Howard Lee 45:06 Yeah! Kamran Hussain 45:07 Yeah. So they lived right by you. Howard Lee 45:08 Okay. Kamran Hussain 45:09 They're literally maybe three blocks away from you, right? Howard Lee 45:12 Okay. Kamran Hussain 45:13 On Sauganash. And the house is totally renovated. Has totally- it's amazing. Their house when they used to live in is very like 70s. Howard Lee 45:21 Okay. Kamran Hussain 45:21 Kind of like a swingers 70s house. Howard Lee 45:23 Okay. Kamran Hussain 45:14 Colorful basement and stuff like that. But this house was totally renovated. It's a really nice house, but just kind of way out of our price range. But yeah, we were looking at Lincolnwood. My wife teaches at Niles West, and she actually wants her kids to go to Niles West because of how diverse the school is. And you know, we found a house in Wilmette. So we're living there right now, but definitely not out of the realm of possibilities of moving back to Lincolnwood. Howard Lee 45:24 Okay. Kamran Hussain 45:24 But we're happy where we're at. It's funny because Wilmette and its school reminds me of the way Lincoln Hall and Rutledge Hall was when we were growing up. Howard Lee 45:24 Okay. Kamran Hussain 45:28 In terms of its racial diversity. The only difference is my kid, my kids, are a lot more secure in their upbringing than I was when I was a kid. Kamran Hussain 46:06 And what would you attribute that to, you think? Kamran Hussain 46:16 Uh, you know, I think I was embarrassed that my parents, you know, had an accent. They were more traditional. I'm not saying that I'm cool. [laughs] Definitely not cool, but- Howard Lee 46:26 [laughs] You definitely shouldn't say that. Kamran Hussain 46:28 You know, I was born and raised here. So, I was embarrassed. I would never ask my parents to come to a field trip with me. My kids, they want me to go. I don't really want to go. But I think they're probably just more secure. I mean, I think being insecure, though, when you're growing up, I think I kind of take that as a positive. Because it did make me feel a little bit more distinct and different. And- which is always a good thing. Sometimes I feel with my kids is that, you know, they have assimilated well, which is a good thing. But I kind of still want them to know that, you know, hey, they're still- maybe, not necessary in a bad way, but they're different. You know, they might be different. You know, whether it be a different- I think they know that. But they have a lot more confidence in how they interact with their classmates, their teachers, and even just having us around. Kamran Hussain 46:26 Okay, yeah. Well, I think that wraps it up for My Lincolnwood Story. Kamran, is there anything else you'd like to say? Kamran Hussain 47:06 No, I'm glad that you were able to interview me. Me and Howard have known each other since 1982 maybe, right? When you started second grade? '82? Howard Lee 47:43 Yeah, '82, '83? '84, something like that. Kamran Hussain 47:44 Yeah, '83. And we've been friends ever since. He came to my wedding. Howard's not married, but I went to a sister's wedding. Howard Lee 47:55 Oh, yeah, that's right. Kamran Hussain 47:56 His uh- Howard Lee 47:58 I went to your sister's wedding actually. Kamran Hussain 47:59 You went to my sister's wedding. And you know, we've been friends since. Petty cool. Howard Lee 48:06 All right, thanks. 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Title A name given to the resource My Lincolnwood Story- Felicia Sue Kaplan Subject The topic of the resource “[Lincolnwood in the early 60s] was a lot quieter, a lot cleaner, not as many people around.” Felicia Sue Kaplan talks about her life growing up in Rogers Park, moving to Lincolnwood in 1960, attending Lincolnwood schools, the different jobs she has held as well as her passion for creative writing, and storytelling. The views and opinions expressed in interviews do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the Lincolnwood Public Library, including its Board of Trustees and staff. TRANSCRIPT: Lev Kalmens 0:00 My name is Lev Kalmens. I'm an Information Services Librarian at the Lincolnwood Public Library. And today I'm interviewing Felicia Sue Kaplan for My Lincolnwood Story, our oral history project here. Felicia, welcome. And what is your Lincolnwood story? Felicia Sue Kaplan 0:18 Well, we were a happy little family living in East Rogers Park in a big beautiful house when I was little. And with my parents and two older brothers, never any pets. Except a little bit later, I had a parakeet. One day, the teachers asked my parents to come in and suggested that we move to the suburbs. I don't think they had any particular suburb in mind. But it was a requirement to my parents and my mother's sister and brother that all of my grandmother's three children live within 30 minutes of her house, so they could be on call and available to her at any given time. She was very authoritative, bossy, survivor type, actually lived longer than anyone in the family to be 100. But it was required that her kids live within a close proximity, and they were not all allowed to be out of town at the same time. So my parents started looking at homes in Lincolnwood, which is very close to the city. And Bubby lived in Albany Park at the time. She actually lived there until her late 90s. And then she was in a retirement center. So they started looking at homes, and Dad purchased a home at--Do you want me to give him a specific address? Lev Kalmens 2:41 If you're comfortable with that, sure. Felicia Sue Kaplan 2:42 Yeah. The house is still there. It's 4355 West Jarvis. It's on the corner of Jarvis and Lowell, and it was very nice: spacious home, no basement--but it was called a bi-level--and two-car garage, and each of us had our own bedroom. But, for me, it was very, very difficult to move from our little local neighborhood to the suburbs. So at age 10, I was in a new house in a new suburb with all new friends, a new school, and the school was definitely much more accelerated than public school in Chicago. I went to Hayt Elementary School at Granville and Clark, and it is still there also, but they have enlarged. And it was a little neighborhood school and everything was fine. And then I'm thrust into Lincolnwood, and it was very traumatic for me. It was very, very difficult. And fortunately, my brothers were very helpful in terms of tutoring me and helping me to get my grades up. Lev Kalmens 4:37 What year did your family move to Lincolnwood? Felicia Sue Kaplan 4:41 It was 1960. Lev Kalmens 4:48 What were your earliest memories of Lincolnwood. Felicia Sue Kaplan 4:56 It was a lot quieter. A lot cleaner. Not as many people around. It was these houses that were lined up on the street. And, little by little, I got to know our neighbors. Fifth grade, I was very fortunate to have a teacher by the name of Valentina Furlett. And it was somewhat similar to a special needs classroom. Just about everybody in the class had some kind of issue or problem, and I guess they realized that I was having a lot of trouble settling in. And I'm very grateful to her. One of the biggest, most memorable events of my entire elementary education is that I was elected class president in fifth grade. It was a really big deal for me. I tried not to let it go to my head. But, considering how difficult fourth grade was, it was a major achievement for me to to get that honor. And I tried to help as much as I could. Slowly things were falling into place; my grades got about a lot better. I have a lot of memorabilia with me, including my fifth grade report card. And because this teacher was so special and helpful and important to me, we kept in touch with each other, definitely in a writing form for about 30 years. And I visited her current fifth grade classroom a couple of times, and she let me interact with the students. I did not go to Todd Hall, that was K through three. Rutledge Hall was four, five, and six, or four and five--I'm not sure. So I was at Rutledge Hall for definitely four and five and then Lincoln Hall, which was actually built first. I don't remember if I was there for six, seven, and eight, or seven and eight. But by seventh grade, I was definitely developing some good friendships and getting to know my my classmates a lot better. Another highlight of eighth grade is I won the Midwestern Spelling Championship, and the tiebreaker word was a South American country by the name of Uruguay. Capital U-R-U-G-U-A-Y. And many, many years later, we just happened to hire a babysitter who was from Montevideo in Uruguay. U-R-U-G-U-A-Y. I was a really good speller, pretty decent writer, good in math, not so interested in science and social studies. Lev Kalmens 9:09 Why was the transition from moving into Lincolnwood, going to the school such a hard transition for you? Felicia Sue Kaplan 9:23 Everything was new, different. I didn't know anybody. It was all new. And to this day, I think I mourn the death of the house that we lived in, in Rogers Park. It was three stories. It was huge, with an attic and a basement, a full furnished basement. And Dad was having trouble selling it, so they knocked it down and built a 12-flat, which was the bane of his existence for many, many years. For eight years he rented to crazy people in that apartment building, until my mother finally said, "You're either gonna sell that building or we're getting divorced." And so he sold the building. But in my subconscious, and I didn't realize this until many years later, I got jobs that were in former homes. I lived in a converted house in East Rogers Park many years later. I just was constantly trying to recreate that feeling of the big old house at 6315 North Hermitage in Chicago. And I still miss it, don't have too many pictures of it or of me at that time. Lev Kalmens 11:19 Tell me about your parents. Who were they? What did they do? Where were they from? Were they originally from Chicago? Felicia Sue Kaplan 11:28 My mother's parents were from Lithuania. And when my mother's mother was 10--and I've shared this story with a lot of children who were pretty fascinated to learn that my Bubby Esther came to America at age 10 with the clothes on her back and a $20 bill, and eventually got off in Ellis Island (as did a lot of other people) and was received by different relatives. Fast forward many years, they moved to Benton Harbor. It's not clear to me if she met her husband in America or in Lithuania, but she got married at age 18. In the photograph of me playing the piano, there's a photograph above the piano which is her wedding picture. Unfortunately, they weren't married very long. He was killed in an accident when she was 32 years old, I think he was possibly 34. And they had three children. So my mother at age nine became the primary caregiver of the family: cooking, cleaning, shopping. And my grandmother just made do. My father's parents were born in Chernigov, in Russia, pretty close to Kiev. You might be familiar with that. My older brother, Ed, has been to the little town that they were from, and there's very little there to recognize. But I think he took some pictures at the time. And they didn't keep a whole lot of records in the late 1800s, so there's not a lot to go on. But I just was told that it was fairly close to Kiev. I never met my father's mother. She was already passed by the time I was born. And in the Jewish religion, the children are typically named after someone who was deceased. And my father's mother was named Fanny. And I said no way am I going through life with a name like Fanny. But that name was very popular in the generation that she was born in. I don't have the exact year off the top of my head, but I have it at home, being the family historian. And I do have a lot of pictures of them. My father's father was still alive, but I was a baby and I really have no memories of him. Lev Kalmens 15:25 Before we started talking, you showed me a lot of photos and a lot of memorabilia that you've collected over the years. What were you like as a child? What were your hobbies? What did you enjoy doing with your time? Aside from school. Felicia Sue Kaplan 15:45 I had a lot of trouble with my eyes as a very young child. My mother told me that I was already wearing eyeglasses. By the time I was 11 months old. They didn't really have glasses for kids that little. So she said that they took two lenses and hooked them together with a ribbon that they tied behind my head. When I was three, I had my first surgery. And then I had another corrective surgery when I was 16. But I've worn glasses ever since I'm a child, I wear them full time. So it was suggested to my parents that perhaps learning a musical instrument would help my vision. So I started taking piano lessons when I was six at a at a local school that was actually down the block. And I took to it really well. I didn't fight the lessons. I didn't fight practicing. And if you also look at the picture of me playing piano, you might notice quite a few statues of composers on top of the piano, and those were awards that I received for solo concerts between the age of maybe seven and nine. I still play the piano when I can, although I don't have one in my house right now. My brothers had a record player to play 33 RPM records which some people may or may not have seen, so there was a lot of music in the house, and so I listened to the stereo and then I started buying 45 RPM records and started playing those myself. According to my journals, I watched way too much television. The Ed Sullivan Show was interesting to me on Sunday nights because there tended to be diversified talent on that. Did a lot of writing. I think I started journaling maybe 10/12, something like that. And I actually have quite a few of my journals with me from seventh and eighth grade forward. Did a lot of writing in school. Other interests: It's hard for me to believe that I was as athletic as I was at the time. I played baseball and tennis and badminton. In Lincolnwood we had a billiards table set up in the family room, and I considered myself a pool shark at the time because I beat my brothers frequently. And so I liked the crack of the balls, listening to the balls hit each other and dropping into the pocket. We had a really nice table. We did badminton out in the yard and ping pong in the garage when cars were not in there. But I was pretty active in sports in grade school and particularly in high school. Well, I think we're still back in eighth grade, so I'll hold that for a few minutes. Lev Kalmens 20:34 You mentioned that you went to Niles West, right? Felicia Sue Kaplan 20:37 Yes, I did. Lev Kalmens 20:39 What are your memories of your time as a student in Niles West? Felicia Sue Kaplan 20:45 Well, as I mentioned, the suburbs were quite challenging for me. And I was very pleased with the friendships that I had developed in seventh and eighth grade. I spent a lot of time in Hebrew school and eventually had my Bas Mitzvah, and I have a lot of photographs of friends that attended my Bas Mitzvah. However, the transition from eighth grade to Niles West was another rocky one for me because all of the friendships that I had developed, none of those kids were in any of my classes in the four years. It was like I was starting over again. I never saw any of my friends. They weren't in my homeroom. They weren't in my classes. The school was considerably larger than Lincoln Hall. There was 3000 students at Niles West at the time. Do you recall how many were there when you were there, Lev? Lev Kalmens 22:15 I want to say approximately, I think my graduating-- Felicia Sue Kaplan 22:18 [overlapping] Lev went to Niles West too. Lev Kalmens 22:21 I think my graduating class had roughly 600, so times four. Between 600 and 650. So multiply that times four. So was it 2400? Felicia Sue Kaplan 22:36 Well, I distinctly remember 3000 kids running around. And I started out in many honors classes, so I became the ambitious diligent student and did okay. But by my junior year, I was like really stressed out again. And my health declined quite a bit. I was sick frequently. I walked around with a box of Kleenex all the time. I missed a lot of school. I had walking pneumonia for a while. I had mono, I had pneumonia--a lot of respiratory stuff. So I missed a lot of time at Niles West, which actually was okay with me but not so good for my education. So being that I had missed three months continuously in my junior year, it was very difficult to come back. I was able to get through my junior year. Had a fun summer. And then senior year, I came back for two weeks. And I just couldn't do it anymore. It just was too hard. Too much. Too many kids, just everything was just overwhelming. So I came home one day and announced that I quit High School. And it was one of the first times in my life that my parents actually listened and took me seriously and realized that I wasn't joking, that I just couldn't do it anymore. So they started looking for a private school for me. And I didn't know this until fairly recently, actually, that when we moved out of Chicago and were going to Lincolnwood, it was suggested--highly recommended--that Felicia go to a private school at that time. My parents did not listen at the time and never pursued that. So I struggled and struggled, and there I was 15/16 years old and flunking out of high school and very distraught and embarrassed and overwhelmed. Okay, so anyway, they finally found a private school for me here in Chicago. We were still living in Lincolnwood. Another thing that was problematic is that both of my brothers were out of the house already. My older brother Ed got married when he was 22. And Mark was away at college. So it was just me and the parents. And we didn't have a whole lot to talk about. But anyway, they did find me a private school. Latin School and Francis Parker would not accept me because my grades had gone down so much and they didn't want that kind of representation in their schools in Lincoln Park or the Gold Coast. So we found another school, or I think a relative suggested another private school called Bateman, which was in the Gold Coast and it was at the intersection of Burton Place and Aster. What happened is they took a very old, very large--here I go with another house. It was a McCormick mansion. And the Craig family purchased the property and converted it into a private school. And to give you an idea how different it was from Niles West: instead of 3000 students, there was 300 students from kindergarten through 12th grade. Lev Kalmens 27:33 This is across the street from Walter Payton now? Felicia Sue Kaplan 27:37 No. Lev Kalmens 27:37 No? Felicia Sue Kaplan 27:38 There's another Bateman private school. Lev Kalmens 27:41 Because I'm thinking of when describing the mansion, I for some reason ... Felicia Sue Kaplan 27:45 No, no, it's a very residential, very ritzy, fancy area. So, praise God, I was able to graduate from high school. And instead of 700 people in our graduating class, there was 25. And I made it through. I graduated high school. I have my eighth grade diploma. I have my Hebrew school diploma. I have my Hebrew high school diploma, pictures from my Bas Mitzvah. My diploma from Bateman. I graduated from high school, didn't really want to go to college, but I did do some of that afterwards. So Bateman was kind of a saving grace for me because a lot of the kids there had various problems going on, and I just made a whole lot of new friends and we had recess in the park. One of the Cardinals had a very large home around the block, and I knocked on the door one day and I asked if they could show me around. I thought that was kind of cute. And they very politely said no, so I went back to gym class. The school was a bit of a playground, to be honest. I spent a lot more time out of the school than in the classroom. But, I graduated high school, and the teachers didn't care about who you were, where you came from. The administration didn't care about your grades. If you had the money for tuition that was pretty much all they focused on, which was good for me. So I stayed in contact with a lot of the kids from Bateman for many years afterwards. Still living in Lincolnwood. My dad's business was fairly close to Bateman, so he would drop me off in the morning and then I would walk over to his factory after school, and he would take me back home. Sometimes I got a ride, or sometimes I took public. But yeah, Bateman was a lot of fun. And I was also fortunate to have some very caring, sensitive teachers. One in particular, her name is Beth Jaffe. And I had her for English and writing. And I didn't know until fairly recently it was the first class that she ever taught right out of school. She was quite young herself and a very good teacher. So she thought I had a lot of potential as a writer. And I probably still have some of the papers that I did in her class. I have a lovely inscription from her in my autograph album. And many of my other teachers at Bateman were very caring, very helpful, almost like special education teachers. And at Bateman, they also let me do some student teaching. I worked with the kindergarten class when I could and third grade and fifth grade, sometimes after school, sometimes during. I was more like an assistant to the teacher, but the kindergarteners I had all to myself, and that was a lot of fun. I always enjoyed those little ones. And put together a talent show when we were at Bateman. I remember auditioning some of my classmates in the library to see what they could do. And we put together a show. I was in the choir at Bateman. I also was in the choir at Niles West. And hopefully by the time you you hear this tape, you'll be able to look at the record albums that we made, that we cut and produced under the tutelage of Mr. Magee. So we made two record albums from festivals. Lev said that he might be able to put some of the songs for you to hear. Lev Kalmens 33:18 Yeah, we should be able to do that. Felicia Sue Kaplan 33:20 Yeah, that sounds like fun. Back at Niles West, I believe I auditioned for many of the plays and the festivals and the events, and never got the part. So I was in a couple of different clubs: Future Teachers of America and Adult Education--I think I helped in that office. We also did a magazine at Niles West called Apotheosis, and I have a couple copies of that for you to view, to look at. None of my stories are in there, but many of my classmates' are. So I guess Bateman was a lot more enjoyable and memorable than Niles West. But we did have an eighth grade reunion and a high school reunion many years later, and I have some memorabilia from that show and tell. Lev Kalmens 34:41 After you graduated high school, you said you went to college, and where did life take you after that? Felicia Sue Kaplan 34:52 Still living in Lincolnwood, not really wanting to go to college after so much trauma in high school, I took a couple classes at Columbia College in Chicago. It was kind of unique at that time--this was like 1969. The school rented a couple of floors in an old office building on Lakeshore Drive. And the ratio of boys to girls was 10 to one. So I was terrified, but I also was very excited because those numbers were good, and I got to meet a lot of people. So I studied creative writing. One of my favorite teachers, Dan Michalski, helped me do some really good writing in that class. I took a poetry class, and eventually started up a poetry group in the 80s in Chicago, which I ran for seven years. And so did some good stuff with our writing. So I dabbled a little bit at Columbia. And while I was going to Columbia, I worked part time. I used to walk Downtown after school, and I worked part time in the toy department of Wieboldt on State Street, which was an absolutely perfect fit for someone like me, with all these toys, and puzzles, and stuffed animals, and dolls, and games, and things that made noise, and things that moved. It was the biggest toy department I've ever been in. And it was a lot of fun. And then I think I worked in a diploma factory in Desplaines, or something. So I was typically combining school with starting to work part time. Education-wise, I changed my major maybe three or four times After Columbia, I studied voice and piano at Roosevelt University, Downtown. The commute got to be too difficult. And then, my dad had two businesses going at the time, and one of them was making custom upholstered furniture. So he helped me get a job with an interior designer in Chicago. And I thought: Oh, this is great; I'll work for her part time, and I'll go to design school part time. So I transferred to Harrington Institute of Interior Design, which was in the Fine Arts Building on Michigan Avenue at the time. A it was really, really hard. I worked for Jane Derek by day, and I went to Harrington maybe two nights a week. So they condensed the day school into six or eight hours of classroom in the evening. It was very intense. A lot of homework, did a lot of cool projects there. Oh, I just remembered I have some show and tell from design school, Lev. I'm holding out on you here. I have some drawings and floor plans and projects. Oh my God, that's in another binder. Felicia Sue Kaplan 39:20 So then I met a man when I was in my early 20s. Alan. And he was working as a transit planning engineer for the Chicago Transit Authority, for the CTA in Chicago, and he wanted to change jobs. He was offered some wonderful positions in a couple of major cities. He asked me to pick one, and I chose Atlanta, Georgia, and so I transferred design schools to the Art Institute of Atlanta. They didn't have subways or the L or anything in Atlanta in the early 70s, and so he was, again, helping with the bus routes there. And for the first time in my life, I had roommates. It really wasn't a problem. I'm kind of surprised, considering that I never shared my space with anybody but my family. And all of a sudden, I had three female roommates in a fairly small apartment. But I liked Atlanta a lot. There's a lot of things I liked about the city, and I was going to school full time. It was a lot more manageable. And I did some great work there. And so you're wondering, well, did I become a well-paid, famous interior designer? No, I didn't. I eventually moved back to Chicago, and back in Lincolnwood with the parents. And I got a wonderful job at Marshall Field's, that was on the fifth floor of Water Tower Place. Loved the job, made no money. But I loved what I was doing. I eventually managed the china and crystal department there. And they let me do displays. And I had some very wealthy clients that I worked with really closely, and had some very exciting experience with customers there. Some pretty famous people actually. So that was a good time. Lev Kalmens 42:26 What have you been doing? What takes up your time today? Felicia Sue Kaplan 42:36 It's pretty interesting to be in the Lincolnwood Library at this time and reminiscing about my life growing up here. Particularly because when I went to school down the block, as I mentioned earlier, to Rutledge and Lincoln Hall, this library was not here at the time, right? What year did you open here? Lev Kalmens 43:05 '78. Felicia Sue Kaplan 43:06 Okay. So this library didn't exist for a long time. And when I was at Niles West, we had a pretty handsome library there. But I remember--sorry--spending a lot of time at Skokie Library to do research and writing and sorting and things like that. And I became very fond of the Skokie Library, spent a lot of time there. So it's really exciting now, especially since the Lincolnwood Library has remodeled and it's very modern in here. If you haven't been in here in a long time, you really must. So several months ago, I was in this library for a storytelling workshop. And I noticed the flyers called "My Story." And I was with a friend in the storytelling workshop, who currently lives in Lincolnwood, and she says, "Oh, no, that's not for me." And I says, "Wait a second." I said, "I lived in Lincolnwood once upon a time. Let me tell my stuff." And speaking of stuff, I realized I had an awful lot of memorabilia and ephemera and photos, and Lev will tell you I got a lot of stuff to show and tell here, and I'm very happy to show it. So speaking of stories, I do share them around town from time to time. And I'm writing children's stories for little ones, usually age five to about age 10 or 11. And while I'm waiting for my checks from the magazine, I do homeschooling for the same group of children, kindergarten through four. And I decided, since I had some difficult times in education that I had a passion for working with children. Some who have gone or are in a public school and just need some extra help Some who are being totally homeschooled by their parents. Sometimes the parents are not a good fit to teach their own children, sometimes they travel too much. So then that's where I come in and work with kids either on one subject or multiple subjects. It's kind of a custom-made, tailored program for the children, depending upon what they they need. And of course, I have lots of show and tell for them in my dwelling, or I take it on the road. I really love teaching. I love telling stories and helping a child get through a tough time. I typically teach one-to-one, sometimes I have a small group. Whatever it is that they need, we work it out. Lev Kalmens 46:55 It sounds like you're giving back after having some difficult times yourself, growing up in education. Felicia Sue Kaplan 47:06 [overlapping] I'm trying. Felicia Sue Kaplan 47:06 I worked with a little girl at Niles Library last year. Her parents asked me to help her with her reading. Without divulging too much about the family or the child or myself, I think it turned out to be that she was a very active, athletic child and just didn't want to sit still long enough to hold a book and sit in her room and read. But I discovered that she was fine reading the same books online because she could move her arms and legs up and down. She could move around. She could put pause on the computer and come back. She didn't have to hold anything. She would just take her eyes on and off the screen. And it worked so much better for her. And she could take a break and do cartwheels or flips or something in the room that we were working in. If I saw that she was getting tired, I would take her through the library and introduce her to some more staff or some other kids and show her what she could do when she got a little bit older. I identified her strengths and her weaknesses. I mean, I don't think she really had a problem reading. She just didn't want to sit and do it. So I found something that she could incorporate her body and her eyes at the same time. And it seemed to work rather well. Her little brother was a student there also but somebody else worked with him. Really, really lovely family. Lev Kalmens 47:16 And the type of work sounds like it's fulfilling for you. Felicia Sue Kaplan 49:25 Yeah, as a teacher, when you can see that a child understands, when they get it. I did all sorts of extra fun projects with this little girl. During the time that we were working together, the family went to Poland for a week or two. So when she came back, I asked her if she had written a journal or taken notes or anything on her trip. And she didn't really know what a diary was. And I says, "Well, how about if you write a book? How about if you write a short book about your travels in Poland?" And she said, "What?" And so we sat down with a stack of construction paper and cut it to the right size. And she did the drawings and the writing of "My Week in Poland," and then she put her name on there, and I think her parents were mighty surprised. Lev Kalmens 50:43 Is there anything else that you want to sum up about your experience living in Lincolnwood? Felicia Sue Kaplan 50:51 In my late 20s--I think I was 27/28--I met somebody that had a sublet apartment available in Evanston. And I grabbed it. And so I didn't have a whole lot of things to put in it. But people pitched in, and I eventually set up. It was a very large studio apartment at almost the corner of Main and Ridge in Evanson, with a great view. And got situated there and started volunteering in a lot of neighborhood organizations in Evanston. It was a good first apartment for me. And I was in walking distance to the Jewel and started discovering all these foods that I didn't know existed. I grew up with a salad being iceberg lettuce, sliced cucumbers, and tomatoes. That was about it. And all of a sudden, I discovered all these different kinds of lettuce and all these cool vegetables and different things you could put on top of the salad, in the salad, make your own dressings. And I joined an ethnic dinner club and started trying all sorts of different cuisines. There's only 11,000 restaurants in Chicago at the present time. And one by one, I started checking them out. My parents were not particularly explorational, and I think that I went to the other spectrum and I wanted to try everything and do everything. So I'm very experimental, big explorer, and I was out there checking out these things. And then, eventually got more situated in the job market. I had a terrific job at Channel 11 WTTW, wonderful place to work. Unfortunately, I had three bosses at the same time, who really didn't want to share me equitably. They all were involved in different aspects of fundraising, which they all did really well. And once again, I was overworked and underpaid. At least I was out of the house, away from the parents. In my own place, I was starting to entertain and have parties. Had a bridal shower for my cousin. So life went forward. Lev Kalmens 54:35 Well, I'm excited to share a lot of the stuff that you brought on our website to show folks and to kind of put some of the things in context. And I do want to thank you for coming to the Lincolnwood Library and sharing your Lincolnwood story with us. Felicia Sue Kaplan 54:53 Well, thank you so much, Lev, for dreaming up this project in the first place. And it gives little chatterboxes like myself a forum to kvetch and share and hopefully convey that, finally, things are much brighter than they were when I was a teenager. And I drive past the house in Lincolnwood from time to time and was rather shocked to see a Christmas tree in the window last year when there never was before, and they've done some great updating and remodeling to the exterior. I've pondered ringing their doorbell and introducing myself just to see how things look. Now, I haven't quite gotten up the courage, but I certainly have a lot of cool photographs to show them. Lev Kalmens 55:59 And we'll share some of those with our audience. Once again, thank you so much.