My Lincolnwood Story- Felicia Sue Kaplan

“[Lincolnwood in the early 60s] was a lot quieter, a lot cleaner, not as many people around.”

Felicia Sue Kaplan talks about her life growing up in Rogers Park, moving to Lincolnwood in 1960, attending Lincolnwood schools, the different jobs she has held as well as her passion for creative writing, and storytelling.

The views and opinions expressed in interviews do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the Lincolnwood Public Library, including its Board of Trustees and staff.



TRANSCRIPT:

Lev Kalmens  0:00  
My name is Lev Kalmens. I'm an Information Services Librarian at the Lincolnwood Public Library. And today I'm interviewing Felicia Sue Kaplan for My Lincolnwood Story, our oral history project here. Felicia, welcome. And what is your Lincolnwood story?

Felicia Sue Kaplan  0:18  
Well, we were a happy little family living in East Rogers Park in a big beautiful house when I was little. And with my parents and two older brothers, never any pets. Except a little bit later, I had a parakeet. One day, the teachers asked my parents to come in and suggested that we move to the suburbs. I don't think they had any particular suburb in mind. But it was a requirement to my parents and my mother's sister and brother that all of my grandmother's three children live within 30 minutes of her house, so they could be on call and available to her at any given time. She was very authoritative, bossy, survivor type, actually lived longer than anyone in the family to be 100. But it was required that her kids live within a close proximity, and they were not all allowed to be out of town at the same time. So my parents started looking at homes in Lincolnwood, which is very close to the city. And Bubby lived in Albany Park at the time. She actually lived there until her late 90s. And then she was in a retirement center. So they started looking at homes, and Dad purchased a home at--Do you want me to give him a specific address?

Lev Kalmens  2:41  
If you're comfortable with that, sure.

Felicia Sue Kaplan  2:42  
Yeah. The house is still there. It's 4355 West Jarvis. It's on the corner of Jarvis and Lowell, and it was very nice: spacious home, no basement--but it was called a bi-level--and two-car garage, and each of us had our own bedroom. But, for me, it was very, very difficult to move from our little local neighborhood to the suburbs. So at age 10, I was in a new house in a new suburb with all new friends, a new school, and the school was definitely much more accelerated than public school in Chicago. I went to Hayt Elementary School at Granville and Clark, and it is still there also, but they have enlarged. And it was a little neighborhood school and everything was fine. And then I'm thrust into Lincolnwood, and it was very traumatic for me. It was very, very difficult. And fortunately, my brothers were very helpful in terms of tutoring me and helping me to get my grades up.

Lev Kalmens  4:37  
What year did your family move to Lincolnwood?

Felicia Sue Kaplan  4:41  
It was 1960.

Lev Kalmens  4:48  
What were your earliest memories of Lincolnwood.

Felicia Sue Kaplan  4:56  
It was a lot quieter. A lot cleaner. Not as many people around. It was these houses that were lined up on the street. And, little by little, I got to know our neighbors. Fifth grade, I was very fortunate to have a teacher by the name of Valentina Furlett. And it was somewhat similar to a special needs classroom. Just about everybody in the class had some kind of issue or problem, and I guess they realized that I was having a lot of trouble settling in. And I'm very grateful to her. One of the biggest, most memorable events of my entire elementary education is that I was elected class president in fifth grade. It was a really big deal for me. I tried not to let it go to my head. But, considering how difficult fourth grade was, it was a major achievement for me to to get that honor. And I tried to help as much as I could. Slowly things were falling into place; my grades got about a lot better. I have a lot of memorabilia with me, including my fifth grade report card. And because this teacher was so special and helpful and important to me, we kept in touch with each other, definitely in a writing form for about 30 years. And I visited her current fifth grade classroom a couple of times, and she let me interact with the students. I did not go to Todd Hall, that was K through three. Rutledge Hall was four, five, and six, or four and five--I'm not sure. So I was at Rutledge Hall for definitely four and five and then Lincoln Hall, which was actually built first. I don't remember if I was there for six, seven, and eight, or seven and eight. But by seventh grade, I was definitely developing some good friendships and getting to know my my classmates a lot better. Another highlight of eighth grade is I won the Midwestern Spelling Championship, and the tiebreaker word was a South American country by the name of Uruguay. Capital U-R-U-G-U-A-Y. And many, many years later, we just happened to hire a babysitter who was from Montevideo in Uruguay. U-R-U-G-U-A-Y. I was a really good speller, pretty decent writer, good in math, not so interested in science and social studies.

Lev Kalmens  9:09  
Why was the transition from moving into Lincolnwood, going to the school such a hard transition for you?

Felicia Sue Kaplan  9:23  
Everything was new, different. I didn't know anybody. It was all new. And to this day, I think I mourn the death of the house that we lived in, in Rogers Park. It was three stories. It was huge, with an attic and a basement, a full furnished basement. And Dad was having trouble selling it, so they knocked it down and built a 12-flat, which was the bane of his existence for many, many years. For eight years he rented to crazy people in that apartment building, until my mother finally said, "You're either gonna sell that building or we're getting divorced." And so he sold the building. But in my subconscious, and I didn't realize this until many years later, I got jobs that were in former homes. I lived in a converted house in East Rogers Park many years later. I just was constantly trying to recreate that feeling of the big old house at 6315 North Hermitage in Chicago. And I still miss it, don't have too many pictures of it or of me at that time.

Lev Kalmens  11:19  
Tell me about your parents. Who were they? What did they do? Where were they from? Were they originally from Chicago?

Felicia Sue Kaplan  11:28  
My mother's parents were from Lithuania. And when my mother's mother was 10--and I've shared this story with a lot of children who were pretty fascinated to learn that my Bubby Esther came to America at age 10 with the clothes on her back and a $20 bill, and eventually got off in Ellis Island (as did a lot of other people) and was received by different relatives. Fast forward many years, they moved to Benton Harbor. It's not clear to me if she met her husband in America or in Lithuania, but she got married at age 18. In the photograph of me playing the piano, there's a photograph above the piano which is her wedding picture. Unfortunately, they weren't married very long. He was killed in an accident when she was 32 years old, I think he was possibly 34. And they had three children. So my mother at age nine became the primary caregiver of the family: cooking, cleaning, shopping. And my grandmother just made do. My father's parents were born in Chernigov, in Russia, pretty close to Kiev. You might be familiar with that. My older brother, Ed, has been to the little town that they were from, and there's very little there to recognize. But I think he took some pictures at the time. And they didn't keep a whole lot of records in the late 1800s,  so there's not a lot to go on. But I just was told that it was fairly close to Kiev. I never met my father's mother. She was already passed by the time I was born. And in the Jewish religion, the children are typically named after someone who was deceased. And my father's mother was named Fanny. And I said no way am I going through life with a name like Fanny. But that name was very popular in the generation that she was born in. I don't have the exact year off the top of my head, but I have it at home, being the family historian. And I do have a lot of pictures of them. My father's father was still alive, but I was a baby and I really have no memories of him.

Lev Kalmens  15:25  
Before we started talking, you showed me a lot of photos and a lot of memorabilia that you've collected over the years. What were you like as a child? What were your hobbies? What did you enjoy doing with your time? Aside from school.

Felicia Sue Kaplan  15:45  
I had a lot of trouble with my eyes as a very young child. My mother told me that I was already wearing eyeglasses. By the time I was 11 months old. They didn't really have glasses for kids that little. So she said that they took two lenses and hooked them together with a ribbon that they tied behind my head. When I was three, I had my first surgery. And then I had another corrective surgery when I was 16. But I've worn glasses ever since I'm a child, I wear them full time. So it was suggested to my parents that perhaps learning a musical instrument would help my vision. So I started taking piano lessons when I was six at a at a local school that was actually down the block. And I took to it really well. I didn't fight the lessons. I didn't fight practicing. And if you also look at the picture of me playing piano, you might notice quite a few statues of composers on top of the piano, and those were awards that I received for solo concerts between the age of maybe seven and nine. I still play the piano when I can, although I don't have one in my house right now. My brothers had a record player to play 33 RPM records which some people may or may not have seen, so there was a lot of music in the house, and so I listened to the stereo and then I started buying 45 RPM records and started playing those myself. According to my journals, I watched way too much television. The Ed Sullivan Show was interesting to me on Sunday nights because there tended to be diversified talent on that. Did a lot of writing. I think I started journaling maybe 10/12, something like that. And I actually have quite a few of my journals with me from seventh and eighth grade forward. Did a lot of writing in school. Other interests: It's hard for me to believe that I was as athletic as I was at the time. I played baseball and tennis and badminton. In Lincolnwood we had a billiards table set up in the family room, and I considered myself a pool shark at the time because I beat my brothers frequently. And so I liked the crack of the balls, listening to the balls hit each other and dropping into the pocket. We had a really nice table. We did badminton out in the yard and ping pong in the garage when cars were not in there. But I was pretty active in sports in grade school and particularly in high school. Well, I think we're still back in eighth grade, so I'll hold that for a few minutes.

Lev Kalmens  20:34  
You mentioned that you went to Niles West, right?

Felicia Sue Kaplan  20:37  
Yes, I did.

Lev Kalmens  20:39  
What are your memories of your time as a student in Niles West?

Felicia Sue Kaplan  20:45  
Well, as I mentioned, the suburbs were quite challenging for me. And I was very pleased with the friendships that I had developed in seventh and eighth grade. I spent a lot of time in Hebrew school and eventually had my Bas Mitzvah, and I have a lot of photographs of friends that attended my Bas Mitzvah. However, the transition from eighth grade to Niles West was another rocky one for me because all of the friendships that I had developed, none of those kids were in any of my classes in the four years. It was like I was starting over again. I never saw any of my friends. They weren't in my homeroom. They weren't in my classes. The school was considerably larger than Lincoln Hall. There was 3000 students at Niles West at the time. Do you recall how many were there when you were there, Lev?

Lev Kalmens  22:15  
I want to say approximately, I think my graduating--

Felicia Sue Kaplan  22:18  
[overlapping] Lev went to Niles West too.

Lev Kalmens  22:21  
I think my graduating class had roughly 600, so times four. Between 600 and 650. So multiply that times four. So was it 2400?

Felicia Sue Kaplan  22:36  
Well, I distinctly remember 3000 kids running around. And I started out in many honors classes, so I became the ambitious diligent student and did okay. But by my junior year, I was like really stressed out again. And my health declined quite a bit. I was sick frequently. I walked around with a box of Kleenex all the time. I missed a lot of school. I had walking pneumonia for a while. I had mono, I had pneumonia--a lot of respiratory stuff. So I missed a lot of time at Niles West, which actually was okay with me but not so good for my education. So being that I had missed three months continuously in my junior year, it was very difficult to come back. I was able to get through my junior year. Had a fun summer. And then senior year, I came back for two weeks. And I just couldn't do it anymore. It just was too hard. Too much. Too many kids, just everything was just overwhelming. So I came home one day and announced that I quit High School. And it was one of the first times in my life that my parents actually listened and took me seriously and realized that I wasn't joking, that I just couldn't do it anymore. So they started looking for a private school for me. And I didn't know this until fairly recently, actually, that when we moved out of Chicago and were going to Lincolnwood, it was suggested--highly recommended--that Felicia go to a private school at that time. My parents did not listen at the time and never pursued that. So I struggled and struggled, and there I was 15/16 years old and flunking out of high school and very distraught and embarrassed and overwhelmed. Okay, so anyway, they finally found a private school for me here in Chicago. We were still living in Lincolnwood. Another thing that was problematic is that both of my brothers were out of the house already. My older brother Ed got married when he was 22. And Mark was away at college. So it was just me and the parents. And we didn't have a whole lot to talk about. But anyway, they did find me a private school. Latin School and Francis Parker would not accept me because my grades had gone down so much and they didn't want that kind of representation in their schools in Lincoln Park or the Gold Coast. So we found another school, or I think a relative suggested another private school called Bateman, which was in the Gold Coast and it was at the intersection of Burton Place and Aster. What happened is they took a very old, very large--here I go with another house. It was a McCormick mansion. And the Craig family purchased the property and converted it into a private school. And to give you an idea how different it was from Niles West: instead of 3000 students, there was 300 students from kindergarten through 12th grade.

Lev Kalmens  27:33  
This is across the street from Walter Payton now?

Felicia Sue Kaplan  27:37  
No.

Lev Kalmens  27:37  
No?

Felicia Sue Kaplan  27:38  
There's another Bateman private school.

Lev Kalmens  27:41  
Because I'm thinking of when describing the mansion, I for some reason ...

Felicia Sue Kaplan  27:45  
No, no, it's a very residential, very ritzy, fancy area. So, praise God, I was able to graduate from high school. And instead of 700 people in our graduating class, there was 25. And I made it through. I graduated high school. I have my eighth grade diploma. I have my Hebrew school diploma. I have my Hebrew high school diploma, pictures from my Bas Mitzvah. My diploma from Bateman. I graduated from high school, didn't really want to go to college, but I did do some of that afterwards. So Bateman was kind of a saving grace for me because a lot of the kids there had various problems going on, and I just made a whole lot of new friends and we had recess in the park. One of the Cardinals had a very large home around the block, and I knocked on the door one day and I asked if they could show me around. I thought that was kind of cute. And they very politely said no, so I went back to gym class. The school was a bit of a playground, to be honest. I spent a lot more time out of the school than in the classroom. But, I graduated high school, and the teachers didn't care about who you were, where you came from. The administration didn't care about your grades. If you had the money for tuition that was pretty much all they focused on, which was good for me. So I stayed in contact with a lot of the kids from Bateman for many years afterwards. Still living in Lincolnwood. My dad's business was fairly close to Bateman, so he would drop me off in the morning and then I would walk over to his factory after school, and he would take me back home. Sometimes I got a ride, or sometimes I took public. But yeah, Bateman was a lot of fun. And I was also fortunate to have some very caring, sensitive teachers. One in particular, her name is Beth Jaffe. And I had her for English and writing. And I didn't know until fairly recently it was the first class that she ever taught right out of school. She was quite young herself and a very good teacher. So she thought I had a lot of potential as a writer. And I probably still have some of the papers that I did in her class. I have a lovely inscription from her in my autograph album. And many of my other teachers at Bateman were very caring, very helpful, almost like special education teachers. And at Bateman, they also let me do some student teaching. I worked with the kindergarten class when I could and third grade and fifth grade, sometimes after school, sometimes during. I was more like an assistant to the teacher, but the kindergarteners I had all to myself, and that was a lot of fun. I always enjoyed those little ones. And put together a talent show when we were at Bateman. I remember auditioning some of my classmates in the library to see what they could do. And we put together a show. I was in the choir at Bateman. I also was in the choir at Niles West. And hopefully by the time you you hear this tape, you'll be able to look at the record albums that we made, that we cut and produced under the tutelage of Mr. Magee. So we made two record albums from festivals. Lev said that he might be able to put some of the songs for you to hear.

Lev Kalmens  33:18  
Yeah, we should be able to do that.

Felicia Sue Kaplan  33:20  
Yeah, that sounds like fun. Back at Niles West, I believe I auditioned for many of the plays and the festivals and the events, and never got the part. So I was in a couple of different clubs: Future Teachers of America and Adult Education--I think I helped in that office. We also did a magazine at Niles West called Apotheosis, and I have a couple copies of that for you to view, to look at. None of my stories are in there, but many of my classmates' are. So I guess Bateman was a lot more enjoyable and memorable than Niles West. But we did have an eighth grade reunion and a high school reunion many years later, and I have some memorabilia from that show and tell.

Lev Kalmens  34:41  
After you graduated high school, you said you went to college, and where did life take you after that?

Felicia Sue Kaplan  34:52  
Still living in Lincolnwood, not really wanting to go to college after so much trauma in high school, I took a couple classes at Columbia College in Chicago. It was kind of unique at that time--this was like 1969. The school rented a couple of floors in an old office building on Lakeshore Drive. And the ratio of boys to girls was 10 to one. So I was terrified, but I also was very excited because those numbers were good, and I got to meet a lot of people. So I studied creative writing. One of my favorite teachers, Dan Michalski, helped me do some really good writing in that class. I took a poetry class, and eventually started up a poetry group in the 80s in Chicago, which I ran for seven years. And so did some good stuff with our writing. So I dabbled a little bit at Columbia. And while I was going to Columbia, I worked part time. I used to walk Downtown after school, and I worked part time in the toy department of Wieboldt on State Street, which was an absolutely perfect fit for someone like me, with all these toys, and puzzles, and stuffed animals, and dolls, and games, and things that made noise, and things that moved. It was the biggest toy department I've ever been in. And it was a lot of fun. And then I think I worked in a diploma factory in Desplaines, or something. So I was typically combining school with starting to work part time. Education-wise, I changed my major maybe three or four times After Columbia, I studied voice and piano at Roosevelt University, Downtown. The commute got to be too difficult. And then, my dad had two businesses going at the time, and one of them was making custom upholstered furniture. So he helped me get a job with an interior designer in Chicago. And I thought: Oh, this is great; I'll work for her part time, and I'll go to design school part time. So I transferred to Harrington Institute of Interior Design, which was in the Fine Arts Building on Michigan Avenue at the time. A it was really, really hard. I worked for Jane Derek by day, and I went to Harrington maybe two nights a week. So they condensed the day school into six or eight hours of classroom in the evening. It was very intense. A lot of homework, did a lot of cool projects there. Oh, I just remembered I have some show and tell from design school, Lev. I'm holding out on you here. I have some drawings and floor plans and projects. Oh my God, that's in another binder. 

Felicia Sue Kaplan  39:20  
So then I met a man when I was in my early 20s. Alan. And he was working as a transit planning engineer for the Chicago Transit Authority, for the CTA in Chicago, and he wanted to change jobs. He was offered some wonderful positions in a couple of major cities. He asked me to pick one, and I chose Atlanta, Georgia, and so I transferred design schools to the Art Institute of Atlanta. They didn't have subways or the L or anything in Atlanta in the early 70s, and so he was, again, helping with the bus routes there. And for the first time in my life, I had roommates. It really wasn't a problem. I'm kind of surprised, considering that I never shared my space with anybody but my family. And all of a sudden, I had three female roommates in a fairly small apartment. But I liked Atlanta a lot. There's a lot of things I liked about the city, and I was going to school full time. It was a lot more manageable. And I did some great work there. And so you're wondering, well, did I become a well-paid, famous interior designer? No, I didn't. I eventually moved back to Chicago, and back in Lincolnwood with the parents. And I got a wonderful job at Marshall Field's, that was on the fifth floor of Water Tower Place. Loved the job, made no money. But I loved what I was doing. I eventually managed the china and crystal department there. And they let me do displays. And I had some very wealthy clients that I worked with really closely, and had some very exciting experience with customers there. Some pretty famous people actually. So that was a good time.

Lev Kalmens  42:26  
What have you been doing? What takes up your time today?

Felicia Sue Kaplan  42:36  
It's pretty interesting to be in the Lincolnwood Library at this time and reminiscing about my life growing up here. Particularly because when I went to school down the block, as I mentioned earlier, to Rutledge and Lincoln Hall, this library was not here at the time, right? What year did you open here?

Lev Kalmens  43:05  
'78. 

Felicia Sue Kaplan  43:06  
Okay. So this library didn't exist for a long time. And when I was at Niles West, we had a pretty handsome library there. But I remember--sorry--spending a lot of time at Skokie Library to do research and writing and sorting and things like that. And I became very fond of the Skokie Library, spent a lot of time there. So it's really exciting now, especially since the Lincolnwood Library has remodeled and it's very modern in here. If you haven't been in here in a long time, you really must. So several months ago, I was in this library for a storytelling workshop. And I noticed the flyers called "My Story." And I was with a friend in the storytelling workshop, who currently lives in Lincolnwood, and she says, "Oh, no, that's not for me." And I says, "Wait a second." I said, "I lived in Lincolnwood once upon a time. Let me tell my stuff." And speaking of stuff, I realized I had an awful lot of memorabilia and ephemera and photos, and Lev will tell you I got a lot of stuff to show and tell here, and I'm very happy to show it. So speaking of stories, I do share them around town from time to time. And I'm writing children's stories for little ones, usually age five to about age 10 or 11. And while I'm waiting for my checks from the magazine, I do homeschooling for the same group of children, kindergarten through four. And I decided, since I had some difficult times in education that I had a passion for working with children. Some who have gone or are in a public school and just need some extra help Some who are being totally homeschooled by their parents. Sometimes the parents are not a good fit to teach their own children, sometimes they travel too much. So then that's where I come in and work with kids either on one subject or multiple subjects. It's kind of a custom-made, tailored program for the children, depending upon what they they need. And of course, I have lots of show and tell for them in my dwelling, or I take it on the road. I really love teaching. I love telling stories and helping a child get through a tough time. I typically teach one-to-one, sometimes I have a small group. Whatever it is that they need, we work it out.

Lev Kalmens  46:55  
It sounds like you're giving back after having some difficult times yourself, growing up in education.

Felicia Sue Kaplan  47:06  
[overlapping] I'm trying.

Felicia Sue Kaplan  47:06  
I worked with a little girl at Niles Library last year. Her parents asked me to help her with her reading. Without divulging too much about the family or the child or myself, I think it turned out to be that she was a very active, athletic child and just didn't want to sit still long enough to hold a book and sit in her room and read. But I discovered that she was fine reading the same books online because she could move her arms and legs up and down. She could move around. She could put pause on the computer and come back. She didn't have to hold anything. She would just take her eyes on and off the screen. And it worked so much better for her. And she could take a break and do cartwheels or flips or something in the room that we were working in. If I saw that she was getting tired, I would take her through the library and introduce her to some more staff or some other kids and show her what she could do when she got a little bit older. I identified her strengths and her weaknesses. I mean, I don't think she really had a problem reading. She just didn't want to sit and do it. So I found something that she could incorporate her body and her eyes at the same time. And it seemed to work rather well. Her little brother was a student there also but somebody else worked with him. Really, really lovely family.

Lev Kalmens  47:16  
And the type of work sounds like it's fulfilling for you.

Felicia Sue Kaplan  49:25  
Yeah, as a teacher, when you can see that a child understands, when they get it. I did all sorts of extra fun projects with this little girl. During the time that we were working together, the family went to Poland for a week or two. So when she came back, I asked her if she had written a journal or taken notes or anything on her trip. And she didn't really know what a diary was. And I says, "Well, how about if you write a book? How about if you write a short book about your travels in Poland?" And she said, "What?" And so we sat down with a stack of construction paper and cut it to the right size. And she did the drawings and the writing of "My Week in Poland," and then she put her name on there, and I think her parents were mighty surprised.

Lev Kalmens  50:43  
Is there anything else that you want to sum up about your experience living in Lincolnwood?

Felicia Sue Kaplan  50:51  
In my late 20s--I think I was 27/28--I met somebody that had a sublet apartment available in Evanston. And I grabbed it. And so I didn't have a whole lot of things to put in it. But people pitched in, and I eventually set up. It was a very large studio apartment at almost the corner of Main and Ridge in Evanson, with a great view. And got situated there and started volunteering in a lot of neighborhood organizations in Evanston. It was a good first apartment for me. And I was in walking distance to the Jewel and started discovering all these foods that I didn't know existed. I grew up with a salad being iceberg lettuce, sliced cucumbers, and tomatoes. That was about it. And all of a sudden, I discovered all these different kinds of lettuce and all these cool vegetables and different things you could put on top of the salad, in the salad, make your own dressings. And I joined an ethnic dinner club and started trying all sorts of different cuisines. There's only 11,000 restaurants in Chicago at the present time. And one by one, I started checking them out. My parents were not particularly explorational, and I think that I went to the other spectrum and I wanted to try everything and do everything. So I'm very experimental, big explorer, and I was out there checking out these things. And then, eventually got more situated in the job market. I had a terrific job at Channel 11 WTTW, wonderful place to work. Unfortunately, I had three bosses at the same time, who really didn't want to share me equitably. They all were involved in different aspects of fundraising, which they all did really well. And once again, I was overworked and underpaid. At least I was out of the house, away from the parents. In my own place, I was starting to entertain and have parties. Had a bridal shower for my cousin. So life went forward.

Lev Kalmens  54:35  
Well, I'm excited to share a lot of the stuff that you brought on our website to show folks and to kind of put some of the things in context. And I do want to thank you for coming to the Lincolnwood Library and sharing your Lincolnwood story with us.

Felicia Sue Kaplan  54:53  
Well, thank you so much, Lev, for dreaming up this project in the first place. And it gives little chatterboxes like myself a forum to kvetch and share and hopefully convey that, finally, things are much brighter than they were when I was a teenager. And I drive past the house in Lincolnwood from time to time and was rather shocked to see a Christmas tree in the window last year when there never was before, and they've done some great updating and remodeling to the exterior. I've pondered ringing their doorbell and introducing myself just to see how things look. Now, I haven't quite gotten up the courage, but I certainly have a lot of cool photographs to show them.

Lev Kalmens  55:59  
And we'll share some of those with our audience. Once again, thank you so much.